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Offline Michael

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Re: Lurker making the leap
« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2016, 08:22:17 PM »
If I'm ever a HC again I'm going to hand out practice plans to the parents who are watching, so they know what their kid is working on now and what he'll be doing next.  And it will help keep me on my game when planning practice.
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Re: Lurker making the leap
« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2016, 09:11:04 PM »
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1 thing in your post that did stand out is the "i'm studying up on everything & i'm gonna let perseonel dictate."

To me that reads a bit like "I wont be prepared coming into the year, & I wont have have mastered my system in advance."
Well, and I probably didn't phrase that well, but I have a few schemes in mind and with my coaching them last year I have a pretty good idea of what most of the players are going to look like.  There is actually a good bit of talent (2-3 really good QB/RBs 3-4 RB/WR only 4-5 MPPs) and so with some properly set up blocking they are very effective.  The biggest thing I saw last year was that no one was teaching them WHO to block and that is why I want to be more involved. I dont really think the scheme is all that important. We were fairly successful with an I formation and no blocking assignments, then at the end of the season did a half arsed job throwing in a wing T for the "all star" team.  So really I just want to really coach(fundamental the crap out of) that middle of the road player and give them all the info they need to be successful.


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I think playbooks are great because you can see your own outline of what you want your offense and defense to look like and everyone especially the assistant coaches can get a good understanding of what you want. People underestimate the side coaching that goes on at home between the player and his dad, this way the dad can see exactly what his son should be doing on each play.
  I also would email a practice plan for the evening and any install of plays that we would be working. Makes for a much more efficient practice so all the other coaches don't look at you with the deer in the headlights look.

This ^^^^^^^

I want to be the coach that has his sh-- together, that is why I am on here now reading everything I can...  ;)
I will NOT be walking into this next season unprepared!(I hope)  :) I am questioning weather or not to walk into the coach signup meeting with scheme in hand or not...

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Re: Lurker making the leap
« Reply #17 on: December 21, 2016, 09:14:10 PM »
If you do not have a practice plan in writing I believe you are not having a good practice. Even better if you tell the players before hand what it expected they will not dog it in order to save themselves for the unknown in my opinion. Also I would mix up the order of practice to break up monotonous.

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Re: Lurker making the leap
« Reply #18 on: December 21, 2016, 09:23:43 PM »
If you do not have a practice plan in writing I believe you are not having a good practice. Even better if you tell the players before hand what it expected they will not dog it in order to save themselves for the unknown in my opinion. Also I would mix up the order of practice to break up monotonous.

Very good point! I am working on what I want involved in my practice plans and trying to get it laid out (so I can look and see if it makes sense) and then be able to pass on to the other coaches.  Last year I spent a lot of time standing around watching the players "warm up" thinking we should be moving on to bigger and more important things...  But I still was worried about "stepping on toes" that I kept quiet...

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Re: Lurker making the leap
« Reply #19 on: December 21, 2016, 09:28:53 PM »
If I'm ever a HC again I'm going to hand out practice plans to the parents who are watching, so they know what their kid is working on now and what he'll be doing next.  And it will help keep me on my game when planning practice.
You might as well give the kids a playbook.
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Re: Lurker making the leap
« Reply #20 on: December 21, 2016, 09:30:09 PM »
Well, and I probably didn't phrase that well, but I have a few schemes in mind and with my coaching them last year I have a pretty good idea of what most of the players are going to look like.  There is actually a good bit of talent (2-3 really good QB/RBs 3-4 RB/WR only 4-5 MPPs) and so with some properly set up blocking they are very effective.  The biggest thing I saw last year was that no one was teaching them WHO to block and that is why I want to be more involved. I dont really think the scheme is all that important. We were fairly successful with an I formation and no blocking assignments, then at the end of the season did a half arsed job throwing in a wing T for the "all star" team.  So really I just want to really coach(fundamental the crap out of) that middle of the road player and give them all the info they need to be successful.




Sounds like the start of a good plan. How do you aim to give the O-line the time they need? In my experience, if you can only count on yourself, it's extremely difficult to give the time they need. Probably the mast important think you can do, is find an AC that you can really count on, & start developing that plan now.

Also, I think it's important to have a model you're trying to shoot for. For us, I wanted us to look like Bellevue football. So I always had this baseline expectation of what we should accomplish. I knew wjat our line play & fakes should look like. And while we often came up short, I at least knew what level we were trying to get to.
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Re: Lurker making the leap
« Reply #21 on: December 21, 2016, 09:52:43 PM »
I'm not telling you to run the Single Wing but Dave Cisar's Winning Youth Football is a very good book for a new coach it will address everything you will need to run a great practice to a great program. Efficiency in practice and a complete understanding of what you are teaching is key to success.

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Re: Lurker making the leap
« Reply #22 on: December 21, 2016, 09:59:45 PM »
Sounds like the start of a good plan. How do you aim to give the O-line the time they need? In my experience, if you can only count on yourself, it's extremely difficult to give the time they need. Probably the mast important think you can do, is find an AC that you can really count on, & start developing that plan now.

I think I have a good couple options at AC that would be receptive to what I want to do and will probably do well with a practice plan and clear instructions.. If I cant teach them I cant teach kids right?  ::) 

But I have plans for a future post that will further explain how I want to get all the kids on the same page of understanding what everyones job is and how this is all about a "team" effort.

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Re: Lurker making the leap
« Reply #23 on: December 21, 2016, 10:05:49 PM »
Dave Cisar's Winning Youth Football is a very good book for a new coach it will address everything you will need to run a great practice to a great program.

--^ This.

Efficiency in practice and a complete understanding of what you are teaching is key to success.

--^ This.

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Re: Lurker making the leap
« Reply #24 on: December 21, 2016, 10:34:57 PM »
You might as well give the kids a playbook.

They're not going to get quizzed on it, you f___ing moron.  It's a courtesy.
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Re: Lurker making the leap
« Reply #25 on: December 21, 2016, 11:00:41 PM »
First Welcome.  I think its great you want to Coach (Teach) Kids. 

In my, apparently clueless, opinion.  Playbooks are like School Books.  Some kids will study them.  Some kids will look at them, and some will drop it on the filed 3 minutes after you give it to them. 

True Statement from several years back.  Guys, this is our "Play Book"  Please review the first 2 plays for practice tomorrow.  Also Please dont leave behind for others to find.   After that practice I found 6 out of 17 playbooks dropped on the way to the parking lot.  Less than 5 kids had actually studied the 2 plays I asked.  I got more questions from Dads than I did from kids. 

Caveat, I have had a few Dyslexic kids who needed the visual references in order for their Dad to help them off site.  (YEA!)

To Michael's point.  You will find out real quick like how many plays you have, regardless of the number of plays "in The Book". 

Draw it, Talk it, Jog it, Run it.  If after a practice session or so, they still cant do it, DROP THE PLAY!  Otherwise spend eternity beating a round peg in a square hole! 
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Re: Lurker making the leap
« Reply #26 on: December 21, 2016, 11:30:25 PM »
First Welcome.  I think its great you want to Coach (Teach) Kids. 

In my, apparently clueless, opinion.  Playbooks are like School Books.  Some kids will study them.  Some kids will look at them, and some will drop it on the filed 3 minutes after you give it to them. 

True Statement from several years back.  Guys, this is our "Play Book"  Please review the first 2 plays for practice tomorrow.  Also Please dont leave behind for others to find.   After that practice I found 6 out of 17 playbooks dropped on the way to the parking lot.  Less than 5 kids had actually studied the 2 plays I asked.  I got more questions from Dads than I did from kids. 

Caveat, I have had a few Dyslexic kids who needed the visual references in order for their Dad to help them off site.  (YEA!)

To Michael's point.  You will find out real quick like how many plays you have, regardless of the number of plays "in The Book". 

Draw it, Talk it, Jog it, Run it.  If after a practice session or so, they still cant do it, DROP THE PLAY!  Otherwise spend eternity beating a round peg in a square hole!

Ok So Im starting to see what the "don't hand out a playbook comes from" I am not going to be the "you didn't study the playbook!" coach.. But I do feel like there are a lot of players that can/need to catch up to where the age group is/probably should  be..  Knowing why the block your making counts is something that needs to be passed on to as many kids as possible... I know a lot of kids wont get it... thats fine, that is what practice is for. I know a lot of parents will have questions, I will coach them too if I think it will help. If they can put what the team needs into terms their kid will understand...win?!

Bottom line is; I don't want to be the coach that didn't present the information out there and give them the chance to make the most of it. One thing I learned this passed year is that some players will really surprise you and come out of nowhere. If someone has a way of knowing who they will be post it up, but I don't see that in the cards.  :)  I see a bunch of smart kids that everyone thinks are dumb because they don't know how to explain things.


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Re: Lurker making the leap
« Reply #27 on: December 21, 2016, 11:42:47 PM »
Oh No!  You wont be the Coach who does not present the information as long as you drill the information! 

Honestly if there was a perfect way to do this no one has written the Be All, End All Book. For the Youth Game there isnt a Guru out there that does not espouse to the basics of Blocking and Tackling!  Develop your squad around those basics and you will have success.   

Do both adequately and above, your on the right track my friend!    ;)     
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Re: Lurker making the leap
« Reply #28 on: December 21, 2016, 11:44:27 PM »
If you emphasize everything, you emphasize nothing.

If the little things were important, they'd be called big things.
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Re: Lurker making the leap
« Reply #29 on: December 21, 2016, 11:52:42 PM »
Oh No!  You wont be the Coach who does not present the information as long as you drill the information! 

Honestly if there was a perfect way to do this no one has written the Be All, End All Book. For the Youth Game there isnt a Guru out there that does not espouse to the basics of Blocking and Tackling!  Develop your squad around those basics and you will have success.   

Do both adequately and above, your on the right track my friend!    ;)   

Thank you! like I said I still have a lot of studying to do, but I am excited about the upcoming year I know as I go through the little details of how I want to draw it all up I will have questions but I am happy to know the info is out there.