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Offline CoachDP

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Re: New Coach hopefully removing the lurker label
« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2016, 02:09:55 PM »
I think that bad coaching is a huge problem, but it is a problem in all sports.

I don't see kids involved in youth tennis or swimming being yelled at because they "didn't want it."
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Re: New Coach hopefully removing the lurker label
« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2016, 02:23:55 PM »
I don't see kids involved in youth tennis or swimming being yelled at because they "didn't want it."
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Dude, "tennis parents" were like the evil forefathers of today's player agents. Ever read about Andre Agassi's background? Tennis and golf have a brutal record of over-bearing parents basically abusing their kids around "not wanting it".

Swimming - that's just a sick masochistic sport if I ever saw one.  At least distance runners are out in nature with a changing landscape, they don't do ALL of their work on a treadmill...

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Re: New Coach hopefully removing the lurker label
« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2016, 02:32:55 PM »
I think coaches become better far more quickly, or get weeded out pretty quickly, in sports where performance measures are objective -- swimming, track and field, weightlifting, etc.  I love talking to those coaches.  Believe me, if you spend all week, or month, or whatever, building up to a workout the kids "should" PR on, and then they don't, you get your mind right, right quick.
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Re: New Coach hopefully removing the lurker label
« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2016, 02:33:38 PM »
Suggestion. Many...myself included wont read posts that are walls of text. Use lots of paragraphs and you will get more responses for large detailed posts.

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Re: New Coach hopefully removing the lurker label
« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2016, 02:35:50 PM »
Dude, "tennis parents" were like the evil forefathers of today's player agents. Ever read about Andre Agassi's background? Tennis and golf have a brutal record of over-bearing parents basically abusing their kids around "not wanting it".

--Yes.  PARENTS!

Swimming - that's just a sick masochistic sport if I ever saw one.  At least distance runners are out in nature with a changing landscape, they don't do ALL of their work on a treadmill...

--What's wrong with that?   ;)

--John, my real point is that participation numbers have significantly declined once FNT came on TV.  And while FNT is on a minuscule cable network, the FNT approach has become the defacto way for youth football.

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Re: New Coach hopefully removing the lurker label
« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2016, 02:39:21 PM »
I think that bad coaching is a huge problem, but it is a problem in all sports.  The concussion stuff is very real as we deal with it even with teams that have solid coaches.  The reality is that you have to make sure that you are addressing both of these in order to get kids to come out and be committed.  It is difficult, but it can be done.

3 kids taken to the hospital during games through the season, deemed a concussion, one additional during a practice. I see this as a look back to week 2 in my post, no teaching of fundamentals of tackling and blocking , no progression based teaching, just slap the pads on and start banging. Also no continuing of any fundamentals through the season, remember most practices consisted of live action o vs d and yelling, no wonder the kids were beat down by game day. I get pissed just writing about it. 

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Re: New Coach hopefully removing the lurker label
« Reply #21 on: November 03, 2016, 02:52:46 PM »
I don't see kids involved in youth tennis or swimming being yelled at because they "didn't want it."
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We practice right next to the tennis courts.  There is a guy working with this one kid every night.  Not sure if they are father/son or coach/player, but this guy makes our kids love football practice.  He is swearing (we are talking F-bombs and all sorts of other things) at this kid for doing whatever it is he is doing wrong. 

I just smile and say to our kids, "aren't you glad that you have such a nice guy like me?"  :P

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Re: New Coach hopefully removing the lurker label
« Reply #22 on: November 03, 2016, 02:56:31 PM »
I just smile and say to our kids, "aren't you glad that you have such a nice guy like me?"  :P

Do they believe that BS?  lol
I use the opposite strategy.  I tell students that I am the meanest teacher in the school. :)

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Re: New Coach hopefully removing the lurker label
« Reply #23 on: November 03, 2016, 03:01:25 PM »
What Dave said about execution I agree with 100%

It's not just important to tell your Guard who to block, but to tell them how to block him, whatever fits in your scheme. I am tweaking little things in technique (execution) all season long. To include the games. If I see my Guard getting beat to the inside by a quicker defender, I will coach him up on the sideline (have him flatten his first step in this example). I am a firm believer that if you take care of the little things, then the big things will take care of themselves.

I coach my offensive line, because I know I will teach them the way I want it taught. We focus on foot placement, hand placement, pad level. If they take care of the small things, then the likelihood that something big will go wrong during a play is much smaller. Plus it is way easier to teach something small, like foot placement, than it is to teach someone how to block all together as a whole package...

And if you want them to do something during a game, you must teach them to do it. I spent 30 minutes when I first got this team teaching them how to huddle and how to break the huddle and line up.

My .02, and that and 4 dollars and change more, you can get a warm beverage at Starbucks...
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Re: New Coach hopefully removing the lurker label
« Reply #24 on: November 03, 2016, 03:03:56 PM »

--John, my real point is that participation numbers have significantly declined once FNT came on TV.  And while FNT is on a minuscule cable network, the FNT approach has become the defacto way for youth football.


Oh, I get it Dave.  You just happened to pick the wrong sport.  Tennis is NOTORIOUS for eating its young.

And swimming is STILL just flat out masochistic.  Ugh. Worse than running - all the bad things about running but you don't get the scenery and you're wet and smell like chlorine.

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« Reply #25 on: November 03, 2016, 03:08:15 PM »
3 kids taken to the hospital during games through the season, deemed a concussion, one additional during a practice.

--YOU are responsible for the safety of your kids.  And there is nothing more important than keeping them safe (from idiots doing stupid drills who have no idea what they're doing).

no teaching of fundamentals of tackling and blocking , no progression based teaching, just slap the pads on and start banging.

--Yep.  Seen it many, many times.  Your situation is not unique.

I get pissed just writing about it.

--I get pissed just hearing about it.  Not your fault, though.

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Re: New Coach hopefully removing the lurker label
« Reply #26 on: November 03, 2016, 04:28:53 PM »
I firmly believe the fastest way to "learn" football is to coach the oline and the secondary. I also believe the best coach on the staff should be coaching these positions. You know, the guy who stresses fundies over scheme.

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Re: New Coach hopefully removing the lurker label
« Reply #27 on: November 04, 2016, 08:39:32 AM »
Be sure to have an excellent team manager/mom. There are many things that will pull you away from coaching your players. Your assistants need to be on the same page. Parents should be put in check before your first practice. Realise that the players will make many mistakes and it is up to you to know why. It doesn't matter if you think you have taught them all the fundamentals. Sometimes you have to step outside the box to get them to understand what it is they are doing. Things can look cookie cutter, but players are not. You can know everything about football, but it's your players that have to know. Good luck.


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Re: New Coach hopefully removing the lurker label
« Reply #28 on: November 04, 2016, 02:20:48 PM »
Thank you all for the encouragement and advice I suppose it is these experiences that drive most of us to get better at what we love to do! For me it's just starting for others maybe coming to and end, but I know this group will be a part of it, and help me and eventually my team become great.

Now time to dig into all this great knowledge here and what others have suggested. Thank you!

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Re: New Coach hopefully removing the lurker label
« Reply #29 on: November 05, 2016, 12:27:56 AM »
I think that bad coaching is a huge problem, but it is a problem in all sports.
I don't think its noticed as much in other sports because most are much less choreographed and individual battles can be more easily seen. I watch my kids baseball practice and over the course of 2 hours they get about as much done as they would in 15 minutes if I were running practice. But they don't have to be in sync and when 4 kids can't hit at all no one thinks its because they are poorly coached.
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