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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2017, 11:16:18 PM »
Here is where I have to stay true to my goals. This is a group of first year kids jazzed up to play in a program with dwindling numbers. My goal is to have all of them come back next year. I want them to get better each week and to learn the game. I am not worried about this year, at least not the first few weeks. I worry about the long run.

I need to get the kids some confidence, so playing hardball with them seems against that goal. However, I think that it will be easier to have them see that their work habits and conditioning are an impediment (I can't use that word) to their success. I can have them ask for that instead of me being hard about it.

I have other things that I can be a hard-ass about.

What would you do?

I'd use this game as a stepping stone. Let them know playtime is over and its time to get to work. If your opponent was a new team as well....you got hammered.

Atmosphere is everything. Everything is earned and everyone is accountable. No one is present for themselves but instead for the man next to them....his Brothers. All hands on deck and everyone takes Ownership in everything. Staff and players alike.

Parents need to understand real quick....football is not their deal...its their sons deal. Period.

You dont have to be a hard ass. Firm but fair. Soon they will realize you are there for them....their biggest cheerleader if you will. I tell the kids the day I stop riding you is the day I stop caring. If I tear a kid down he gets built back up before he leaves the field. That goes for any coach. And tearing a kid down is not yelling at him or belittling him.....not even close. Its simply calling him out. Accountability.

Quick story. 7th grader. Parents are meth heads so Grandparents took over all parenting duties about 5 years ago. Kid has played with us for 4 seasons too include Spring ball. Kid is a manimal. I get a call in January from Grandma. Kid is failing school badly and wants me at a meeting they are having with the principle and consular. I go and find out he has a 17%. Im furious but listen. Not my place to talk....yet. Then he says Mr So and So is against him and always riding him so he blows him off. One of his teachers. Says the same thing about Ms. So and So. Another teacher.

Whoa Whoa Whoa. Pump the brakes. Thats when I jump in and remind him that Mr and Ms So and So rides you because they care  and I proceed to rip his ass telling him he will not be playing Spring Football and if he fails the 7th grade he is not allowed back on his Fall team either. Principle is mortified but happy as a pig in chit because she cant even begin to say the things I did without being sued. He passed the 7th grade and is now a new man....a true leader....and still a manimal.

So....what if I had never instilled any tough love in this kid? Being accountable for your own actions. 17%?That is just fucking lazy....my own words used in that meeting and that embarrassed the hell outta him to the point he woke the f up.  He knows how I feel about being lazy.

We are raising pussies now a day. So...be the opposite is what I do. And I am not a screaming yeller hand waiver blowhard. Actually Im rather quiet. And yes the kids...and their Parents do fear me. That is by design. Although I do get amp'd for the games. Had a parent last game tell me I should be mic'd for the games because its hilarious to listen too me. The fans sit 10 feet behind our bench and hear everything. 

Whatever the peaches and creme approach you have taken to date....change it.   The parents will actually appreciate it. Nothing finer than a well organised regiment for these kids is my take. They might not get that at home and they certainly do not get it at school. What we do as coaches on a football field just might be considered illegal in some school districts.  ???

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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2017, 11:30:20 PM »

Whatever the peaches and creme approach you have taken to date....change it.   The parents will actually appreciate it. Nothing finer than a well organised regiment for these kids is my take. They might not get that at home and they certainly do not get it at school. What we do as coaches on a football field just might be considered illegal in some school districts.  ???

This is no longer on you. Its on everyone.

This is some good stuff Mike and I appreciate it. I don't want to make it seem that I am soft on these kids. I am just not as hard as I want to be and that is what will change. It will ramp up, but it is not all on my kids or their parents.

My coaches need to adjust as well. I almost threw one off the sideline because he wanted to tell the line to "block somebody" . I told these guys that you get tossed for yelling at refs, grabbing a kid by the facemask, calling timeout when I don't want one or yelling "block somebody". There are others, but that was my simple response to us not teaching blocking well.

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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #17 on: August 27, 2017, 11:47:38 PM »
This is some good stuff Mike and I appreciate it. I don't want to make it seem that I am soft on these kids. I am just not as hard as I want to be and that is what will change. It will ramp up, but it is not all on my kids or their parents.

My coaches need to adjust as well. I almost threw one off the sideline because he wanted to tell the line to "block somebody" . I told these guys that you get tossed for yelling at refs, grabbing a kid by the facemask, calling timeout when I don't want one or yelling "block somebody". There are others, but that was my simple response to us not teaching blocking well.

I truly believe the great teams create that Brotherhood....that family....and that cannot be accomplished alone. It has to be a collective thing.

If you have been talking coaches and parents off the cliff....they care. Reel em in and get them all facing forward per your lead. And remind them....Rome was not built in a day.
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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #18 on: August 27, 2017, 11:56:25 PM »
I truly believe the great teams create that Brotherhood....that family....and that cannot be accomplished alone. It has to be a collective thing.

If you have been talking coaches and parents off the cliff....they care. Reel em in and get them all facing forward per your lead. And remind them....Rome was not built in a day.

I agree. You are correct. Rome wasn't built in a day and we need to have some patience. I will point to the chubby 4th grader who did not want to block who is now starting tackle as a freshman. I will point to the awkward 4th grader who had long hair who will probably be starting as varsity QB as a freshman.

I want the kids for the long haul. The parents are secondary, but needed. I feel okay about making it happen because I have some capital with the community, but I don't like any doubt. I want perfection. :)

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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #19 on: August 28, 2017, 01:14:36 AM »
but I don't like any doubt. I want perfection. :)

Interesting thought I just had...for as common as the goals of all parties involved with youth football, you'd think there'd be less drama and conflict.  I suspect when you factor in ego and the paths chosen to reach an end, is where you encounter dissent.

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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #20 on: August 28, 2017, 02:04:45 AM »
Parents can pull their kids. I can get them to decide on their own without playing hard ball.

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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #21 on: August 28, 2017, 02:28:30 AM »
It's amazing how many coaches who tell you they refuse to accept anything less than perfection get their asses kicked on a regular basis.

Just do everything you can, all the time, to make the next rep better.

Anything else is just trying to impress other coaches who (a) don't matter and (b) are just going to look at the record, anyway.
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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #22 on: August 28, 2017, 08:58:43 AM »
It's amazing how many coaches who tell you they refuse to accept anything less than perfection get their asses kicked on a regular basis.

Just do everything you can, all the time, to make the next rep better.

Anything else is just trying to impress other coaches who (a) don't matter and (b) are just going to look at the record, anyway.

That is the key.  I always say that I want perfection, but it doesn't happen and I could be there all day doing one thing right to get to perfection, but we have so many areas that we need to make improvements in that we just don't have the time to be perfect.  I don't want perfect to get in the way of good, but we aren't even good yet and that will change.

After watching the film, there were a couple of key areas that disturbed me:
1.  Our effort sucked.  Lots of watching the play happening and not enough playing. 
2.  Our conditioning sucked.  We were gassed early.

We had plenty of other issues, but those were the ones that I was struck by. 
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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #23 on: August 28, 2017, 09:32:00 AM »
We stopped chasing perfection years ago. We want perfect effort.
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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #24 on: August 28, 2017, 10:25:18 AM »
1.  Our effort sucked.  Lots of watching the play happening and not enough playing.

Just bring a few pictures of what things looked like at the whistle.
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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #25 on: August 28, 2017, 10:51:57 AM »
Just bring a few pictures of what things looked like at the whistle.

Great idea. I usually show them plays on my tablet, but something they can take with them might further reinforce the problem.

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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #26 on: August 28, 2017, 10:59:55 AM »
Great idea. I usually show them plays on my tablet, but something they can take with them might further reinforce the problem.

Pictures at the whistle are usually pretty jarring to the kids, especially if you draw lines between them and the guy they were supposed to be blocking, or between them and the guy they were supposed to be tackling.  "If you always block to the whistle, how come you're 30 yards away toying with your chin strap?"
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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #27 on: September 02, 2017, 01:33:42 PM »
Lost another last night 26-0. We played better than last week, but the other team was better. Our defense had a good goal line stand on the first drive, but we did not do anything on offense. Still having issues with kids knowing their position, alignment and stances. Not all of them, but enough to make it difficult.

We also have to amp up our aggression work as I am seeing some front runners who are shying away from contact if we get down.

Some kids made some strides with some extra playing time, but we still have a ton of work.

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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #28 on: September 02, 2017, 07:05:20 PM »
Lost another last night 26-0. We played better than last week, but the other team was better. Our defense had a good goal line stand on the first drive, but we did not do anything on offense. Still having issues with kids knowing their position, alignment and stances. Not all of them, but enough to make it difficult.

We also have to amp up our aggression work as I am seeing some front runners who are shying away from contact if we get down.

Some kids made some strides with some extra playing time, but we still have a ton of work.

Any Beast on the horizon?

I like to experiment on Offense. The last time I ran the same O for more than 2 seasons in a row.....UBSW from 97'-00'.

Sometimes I get my hmm hmm stuck in the wringer doing this but since about 02' Beast has always been my safety net. Some food for thought if you haven't already.

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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #29 on: September 02, 2017, 07:30:06 PM »
Any Beast on the horizon?

I like to experiment on Offense. The last time I ran the same O for more than 2 seasons in a row.....UBSW from 97'-00'.

Sometimes I get my hmm hmm stuck in the wringer doing this but since about 02' Beast has always been my safety net. Some food for thought if you haven't already.

We run Beast and some DW. I want minimal formations for now and those two are easy transitions.