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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #30 on: September 02, 2017, 07:46:08 PM »
The only thing i can tell you from the 1 x i went down back to 5th grade because i bought out a program and needed to build a future. Is when i stopped being myself thinking they were to young it failed miserably. Soon as we took one on the chin week 1 and  i saw what the real problem's were and just did what i always did AND STARTED BEING MYSELF AGAIN and coached just as aggressively as i would 8th graders. We ran the table and made a regional run in year 1.... I been were you are before and understand but if you go this route it will hurt more than help this game ain't for everyone and you need to bank on your ability to coach and your work ethic in off season to get more kids rest will work itself out...
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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #31 on: September 02, 2017, 08:50:32 PM »
I hear you, Tito. We have some additional challenges in that we don't have the numbers (yet) to have kids quit. This game is not for everyone, though, so I am trying to ramp it up while keeping kids engaged across the program. We also don't have a ton of talent with this group, but we will use this year to recruit and build it back up.

I am not avoiding being myself, but I do think you have to adjust approach depending on circumstances.

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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #32 on: September 03, 2017, 01:48:08 PM »
I am not avoiding being myself, but I do think you have to adjust approach depending on circumstances

And how is that working for you?

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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #33 on: September 03, 2017, 02:03:26 PM »
And how is that working for you?

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Overall, I am fine with it. I did not have expectations of great play given the talent level of this group. I believe we are at a point where we need to build up some numbers, gain experience and confidence. That is happening.

In speaking with some others, it appears that there is the right amount of tension between pushing them hard and them having fun. Each week, we add more to the demands on them, but I can't afford to have kids quit.

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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #34 on: September 03, 2017, 07:27:46 PM »
Overall, I am fine with it. I did not have expectations of great play given the talent level of this group. I believe we are at a point where we need to build up some numbers, gain experience and confidence. That is happening.

In speaking with some others, it appears that there is the right amount of tension between pushing them hard and them having fun. Each week, we add more to the demands on them, but I can't afford to have kids quit.

In my experience, if you win their hearts first, pushing them is never a concern. Once a kid trusts that you really care about him, he'll run through a wall for you . . . which is great, but it's a much easier sell to have them run through a wall for each other. You know you have something special when they push themselves and each other harder than you can push them. I'm seeing sparks of that now and it's at the same time awesome, scary and a little melancholy.
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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #35 on: September 03, 2017, 07:35:11 PM »
In my experience, if you win their hearts first, pushing them is never a concern. Once a kid trusts that you really care about him, he'll run through a wall for you . . . which is great, but it's a much easier sell to have them run through a wall for each other. You know you have something special when they push themselves and each other harder than you can push them. I'm seeing sparks of that now and it's at the same time awesome, scary and a little melancholy.

That is my next area of focus. I don't feel "team". I have them and I think they will do things for me, but I want them to do it for each other.

Part of it is selfish in that I don't want to coach them next year. I want to have them move on with the AC's that I have now. I want to watch my own kids go through high school and I am trying to leave the coaches and players with some foundation.

I have not been in that position before, so it is a little different. It is like learning all over again. The good thing is that I have the desire to do as much with them as I have done in the past.

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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #36 on: September 03, 2017, 09:24:45 PM »
iif you win their hearts first, pushing them is never a concern

This ^

Pushing them hard is not something you do to them, but for them.  Kids quit not because they're pushed hard, but coached by someone who doesn't care, isn't organized, coaches negatively, insults them, creates a negative atmosphere or loses.  Not because someone who cares about them pushed them hard towards success, (or because an opponent beat them 50-0.)  ::)

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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #37 on: September 03, 2017, 11:15:49 PM »
I push as hard as I ever had.  We had only six players at our first practice.  The Varsity header said he hoped that we could get to 30.  We are at 42.  The previous admin burned this football program to the ground.  We worked on building relationships with players and parents.  Tonight I completed my first Sunday Night Phone Call since I was a youth header.  Parents appreciated that and appreciated the approach we have taken with our players in regards to academics and respect.  But I have not backed down in getting what I want from our players.

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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #38 on: September 10, 2017, 09:47:29 PM »
Game 3 was another blowout against us.  We lost 25-0.  We still have all sorts of problems that are mine to fix.  Amongst them:
- We still are terrible with our stance and alignment on both offense and defense.  I can't believe that I allow this to be that bad even though I have some kids who may be special needs attempting to play.
- We have the wrong players in certain key positions.  A kid who looks to be a good DE in practice and in drills may be horrible at it in games.  A kid who looks like a stud RB might be a big p-word when actually carrying the ball.
- With 20 kids and 6 of them being legit MPP's, I have to find a better way to make them useful because you can't hide that many MPP's. 
- Almost all of the kids are front runners.  Any adversity and they fold.
- Not enough fight in the dog, although we did play better in the 2nd half.  Kids are tapping out or looking for their 15 seconds of fame. 
- I still think that we have talent, although the film and play shows otherwise.  I have told the kids that this staff has not given up and we will address things.

I will be starting practice on Tuesday with an apology to all of them.  I have not done them right by allowing them to not do things correctly in every drill, to allow them to tap out when faced with adversity, to allow them to walk or jog on my field.  Let's see if they are ready to hear that reality.

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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #39 on: September 10, 2017, 11:30:28 PM »
Game 3 was another blowout against us.  We lost 25-0.  We still have all sorts of problems that are mine to fix.  Amongst them:
- We still are terrible with our stance and alignment on both offense and defense.  I can't believe that I allow this to be that bad even though I have some kids who may be special needs attempting to play.
- We have the wrong players in certain key positions.  A kid who looks to be a good DE in practice and in drills may be horrible at it in games.  A kid who looks like a stud RB might be a big p-word when actually carrying the ball.
- With 20 kids and 6 of them being legit MPP's, I have to find a better way to make them useful because you can't hide that many MPP's. 
- Almost all of the kids are front runners.  Any adversity and they fold.
- Not enough fight in the dog, although we did play better in the 2nd half.  Kids are tapping out or looking for their 15 seconds of fame. 
- I still think that we have talent, although the film and play shows otherwise.  I have told the kids that this staff has not given up and we will address things.

I will be starting practice on Tuesday with an apology to all of them.  I have not done them right by allowing them to not do things correctly in every drill, to allow them to tap out when faced with adversity, to allow them to walk or jog on my field.  Let's see if they are ready to hear that reality.

Placing talent with a new team I believe is the toughest part of coaching.

You are running the DW and some Beast and have scored 6 points. Ever consider running a spread package? It can handle quite a few wussies. You are playing bully boy ball with wussies....it seems. Might be too late to change their attitudes but not the scheme.

Giving up 25 a game isnt terrible so I would keep choppin' wood there and cut that in half...but the O? Not happening if you are not scoring by now.
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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #40 on: September 11, 2017, 05:59:59 AM »
Placing talent with a new team I believe is the toughest part of coaching.

You are running the DW and some Beast and have scored 6 points. Ever consider running a spread package? It can handle quite a few wussies. You are playing bully boy ball with wussies....it seems. Might be too late to change their attitudes but not the scheme.

Giving up 25 a game isnt terrible so I would keep choppin' wood there and cut that in half...but the O? Not happening if you are not scoring by now.

We will be adding some spread this week. We have a problem with knowing where to stand with about half of the team, so we avoided too many formations. We have to make some changes and that is one.

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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #41 on: September 11, 2017, 09:48:38 AM »
You are running the DW and some Beast and have scored 6 points. Ever consider running a spread package? It can handle quite a few wussies. You are playing bully boy ball with wussies....it seems.

It's not the scheme; it's your execution of the scheme.  If you can block and tackle, it won't matter what you run, you'll be successful.  If you can't block and tackle, it won't matter what you run, you won't be successful.  The only time changing scheme in season is beneficial is when you are better at teaching the new scheme than you are the one that you're abandoning.

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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #42 on: September 11, 2017, 09:58:17 AM »
It's not the scheme; it's your execution of the scheme.  If you can block and tackle, it won't matter what you run, you'll be successful.  If you can't block and tackle, it won't matter what you run, you won't be successful.  The only time changing scheme in season is beneficial is when you are better at teaching the new scheme than you are the one that you're abandoning.

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In our case, it appears to be a combination of lack of technique and talent.  Under talent, I also include desire, aggression and other factors that have the players want to do it correctly. 

Up until this group, I typically had maybe 5 or 6 kids who were new to the game that we had to incorporate into the mix.  That still took time, but it was manageable.  Now I have 18 kids who have never played before and some of them struggle to stand upright.  It is just going to take longer than I am used to and there are enough of them who are lacking that I can't fire them all. :)

I believe that we need to continue to work on both the technique and talent issues that we have, but we do need some options to get the ball outside.  I now have to figure out how we get the ball in space because we don't even have many kids who can catch the ball.  I am looking at just running some screens that I have run in the past that essentially has same alignment and motion as our DW plays with the play side wing out wide.  That way, I only have 1 player adjusting to the change in position.  It will also allow me to spend most of the time on fixing the other issues that we have with blocking. 

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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #43 on: September 11, 2017, 10:39:15 AM »
Under talent, I also include desire, aggression and other factors that have the players want to do it correctly.

Eh, there are always plenty of things people care about and want to do correctly.  If what you want them to do isn't on their list, you might need to figure out why.
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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #44 on: September 11, 2017, 11:18:42 AM »
Eh, there are always plenty of things people care about and want to do correctly.  If what you want them to do isn't on their list, you might need to figure out why.

With some of them, it is because they have some mental challenges (autism, OCD, etc.).  With others, they are not mature enough to be in this setting utilizing methods that work for the rest of the team.  Some are just lazy. 

Regardless of the reason, I need to get them fixed.  They have been getting better, so it is not like it is impossible.  It is just taking longer than I had wanted and with some of them, the negative side of me worries whether they will ever reach that goal.