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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #45 on: September 11, 2017, 11:30:50 AM »
It's not the scheme; it's your execution of the scheme.  If you can block and tackle, it won't matter what you run, you'll be successful.  If you can't block and tackle, it won't matter what you run, you won't be successful.  The only time changing scheme in season is beneficial is when you are better at teaching the new scheme than you are the one that you're abandoning.

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Completely agree.....but Fat needs to be more competitive. After 3 games....is that just going to start happening?

Some schemes are easier to execute when you are dealing with butterfly watchers. A power scheme is not one of those. If he isnt having success with Beast....that is an issue. I cant imagine running the DW under these circumstances.
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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #46 on: September 11, 2017, 12:02:05 PM »
Completely agree.....but Fat needs to be more competitive. After 3 games....is that just going to start happening?

Some schemes are easier to execute when you are dealing with butterfly watchers. A power scheme is not one of those. If he isnt having success with Beast....that is an issue. I cant imagine running the DW under these circumstances.

I think that part of the competitive challenge will be addressed.  Our schedule was sort of messed up in that we were supposed to be in the lowest division of 3 with teams seeded based on last year's records and based on overall experience for new teams.  Well, they consolidated D2 and D3 for some reason and our last 2 opponents were playoff teams (both were 6-1 at some point last year).  So, I believe that the rest of our schedule should be a little easier.  At least that is what I am telling myself.

I do think that adding some spread options can be accomplished pretty easily so that it should not add too much to the confusion that is already there.  Then I can focus on fixing the (many) other issues that are happening along the way.  The biggest issue is experience and confidence, which I believe is affecting many of the other problems. 

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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #47 on: September 17, 2017, 08:33:14 PM »
Another tough opponent that had more horses, but I saw some good things from this team. We lost 27-6 (all our scores seem similar). They were bigger than us (big deal)

We got the opening onside kick, but couldn't get points. We were at least aggressive there. We went toe to toe for a bit, but they scored on a poor tackling play. Offense was moving ok, but we could not score. They scored again with an XP to make it 13-0.

We finally put together a drive and had a good TD run to make it 13-6 at the half. Big problem was that we had some heat (85 and sunny) which is like kryponite for some kids. We had a couple of our key players looking for an out due to heat and other issues (big kids).

We ended up wilting slowly in the second half and they beat us. We had some kids step up and play the whole game on the line when they did not think they could. We had some others that did not measure up. We will celebrate the former and ask why the latter happened. We head into an easier part of the schedule (as I am told), and we will be changing up some more things to better tap into our strengths. My big concern is who wants to be here and work

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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #48 on: September 24, 2017, 07:53:08 PM »
Had a moral victory (which I hate). Kids played well against a previously unbeaten team. Lost 13-12 in OT. Defense is still a struggle with our DE's getting caught inside and taking bad angles.

Offense is a problem for a variety of reasons. We need to work on the backs a little more as they run soft. The line did okay and the wedge was better this week (our best play).

Tough to be 0-5, but we are playing better football. We had no kids begging out of the game and we stayed tough on a hot day.

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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #49 on: September 24, 2017, 08:39:58 PM »
13 points including OT vs an unbeaten team? I wish we had your defensive struggles. :)
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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #50 on: September 24, 2017, 09:14:58 PM »
13 points including OT vs an unbeaten team? I wish we had your defensive struggles. :)

They were not a typical undefeated team. The funny part was my OC was telling me what our LB's should be doing and it was contrary to what I was telling them. I said that defense wasn't our problem. Just focus on the offense.

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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #51 on: September 24, 2017, 10:15:35 PM »
They were not a typical undefeated team. The funny part was my OC was telling me what our LB's should be doing and it was contrary to what I was telling them. I said that defense wasn't our problem. Just focus on the offense.

Even if defense WERE the problem, he should still shut up about it.
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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #52 on: September 24, 2017, 10:28:18 PM »
Even if defense WERE the problem, he should still shut up about it.
He is new to youth ball. Has experience at HS, but he has some learning to do. I am trying to get the staff to learn how to build a team, and we are getting there. At least they are here for the right reasons and are working hard.

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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #53 on: October 01, 2017, 08:17:33 PM »
Finally won one 27-12 today.  They scored on a reverse late in the first half because we messed up on defense.  Scored late when I emptied the bench because we messed up on defense.  Still need to fix those issues. 

Offense did pretty well but still need to tighten up our blocking and protect the ball together. 

It was not really that close, but we are trying to get all of our players some meaningful minutes.  Kids were really happy and they gained some confidence.  We have a lot of work to do, but I think that we could win the rest of our games if we actually play to our ability.  My goal is to make that happen.

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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #54 on: October 01, 2017, 08:22:12 PM »
Finally won one 27-12 today.  They scored on a reverse late in the first half because we messed up on defense.  Scored late when I emptied the bench because we messed up on defense.  Still need to fix those issues. 

Offense did pretty well but still need to tighten up our blocking and protect the ball together. 

It was not really that close, but we are trying to get all of our players some meaningful minutes.  Kids were really happy and they gained some confidence.  We have a lot of work to do, but I think that we could win the rest of our games if we actually play to our ability.  My goal is to make that happen.

Let the good times roll !!!!  8)
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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #55 on: October 01, 2017, 08:27:47 PM »
Let the good times roll !!!!  8)

The kids wanted to do the Gatorade dump on me.  I told them to put that thing down, we don't do that when we are 0-5.  After the game, I told them that they have to learn how to win and that we don't get too jacked up for a win.  Feel great inside, but we don't throw the bucket on the coach until you win a championship.  It was about 50 degrees, so I was not about to get dunked, but I really did not take much comfort in beating another 0-5 team.   :(

I wanted them to be pumped and we will build on this, but it was more of a situation where, if we did not beat them, I would have been jumping off a bridge. 

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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #56 on: October 01, 2017, 08:31:42 PM »
The kids wanted to do the Gatorade dump on me.  I told them to put that thing down, we don't do that when we are 0-5.  After the game, I told them that they have to learn how to win and that we don't get too jacked up for a win.  Feel great inside, but we don't throw the bucket on the coach until you win a championship.  It was about 50 degrees, so I was not about to get dunked, but I really did not take much comfort in beating another 0-5 team.   :(

I wanted them to be pumped and we will build on this, but it was more of a situation where, if we did not beat them, I would have been jumping off a bridge.

Dude...you should be organizing a Parade !  :P

Seriously....Happy to see you get that monkey off your back.
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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #57 on: October 01, 2017, 08:42:08 PM »
Dude...you should be organizing a Parade !  :P

Seriously....Happy to see you get that monkey off your back.

The best part is that they get to throw stickers on the godzillas.  They seem almost naked.  We have about 4 stickers for the kids getting A's on tests, but none for wins.  Now, we will have a helmet sticker on them for each player as a result of the win.  I want them all decorated by the end of the season.  :)

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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #58 on: October 08, 2017, 10:31:25 PM »
So, I did not have a good feeling about this one.  We were playing a team that was pretty similar to us in talent, but we were going to have 4 kids out.  Of those 4, two of them were our biggest linemen and 2 MPP's.  I had kids playing on the line that are really supposed to be TE's or spot kids, but they needed to play the whole game.  Ok.  No big deal, you coach the kids that show up.  So we played with 16 kids and 5-6 of them are really one-taskers (putting it kindly).

We worked all week on ensuring that 2 things were covered against this team on defense:
1. Stop one kid who was particularly fast and not let him outside.  We worked on angles for our DE's since we were too focused on the QB and not on the backs that were getting tosses wide.
2. They mixed up their cadence and mainly went on 2.  I wanted them to only move on the ball as that is what we teach.  Talked about it and repped it in drills.

Neither was good enough.  We jumped offsides on at least 4 plays in their first drive.  Dumb, but we were able to get a first drive stop. 

However, we were not good enough to stop that one player from getting outside on a big 3rd and long to score about a 50 yard TD.  They got the XP, so we were down 7-0.  Went all the way to halftime with that same score.  We moved the ball well with wedge, but we could not punch it in and we shot ourselves in the foot with stupid plays and penalties.

Second half, we wanted to focus on not making the same mistakes and we were receiving the opening kickoff.  We worked our way down the field to score, but we did not convert the XP.  Still down 7-6.

I wanted our kids to win the turnover battle and we worked hard on our onside kicks with big focus on our kids going hard to the ball.  It paid off with a perfect onside that we recovered.  It was more of a lucky kick than anything, but I don't care.  The kick bounced slowly to 11 yards and then took a sharp turn backwards into our waiting player's arms.  Didn't matter as we had a crap drive.

Played some field position battles, but our defense was fairly solid.  Still can't figure out why the other team did not go to the fast kid more often, but I try not to figure out other coaches. 

Got to 4th quarter and we had a nice drive that got us down deep in their territory, but they stuffed us on downs.  We needed to get a good series on defense to get the ball back and put together one last drive.  Defense came through again and we had decent field position, 3 timeouts and about 3:30 left.  Worked it down to about the 25 with 1:30 or so left and got a nice counter for a TD.  XP was no good, so we were up 12-7 with about 1:15 left.

We tried another onside because our squib coverage was horrible last week and I did not want their fast kid getting the ball in space.  They recovered and had decent field position near mid-field.  They had a couple of timeouts left, but they ran the ball up the middle 3 times and let a lot of clock bleed off.  Got to the point where they had 15 seconds and the ball about our 25.  Tossed the ball wide to the fast kid and our CB came up and made a great tackle.  Other team was too slow to the line and the clock ran out.

Final score 12-7.  We have won 2 in a row and have 2 winnable games left on the schedule.  Kids are gaining confidence and playing much better, but still a TON to work on.  Best thing is that we have not had a single kid getting dinged and tapping out.  Other teams have the EMT's living on their sidelines and we are just playing through it.  We will have a good week and build on this and we have one assistance coach who has to shave his head as a result of our win. :D

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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #59 on: October 09, 2017, 08:14:11 AM »
Still can't figure out why the other team did not go to the fast kid more often, but I try not to figure out other coaches. 

First thing - congratulations on the win.  Nice job.

Second - you know, I have people who say that about me, since I have what might be the fastest kid in the conference - at least he has been the fastest kid on the field through 5 games. He's scored 6 of our 9 touchdowns, all on long plays - 2 pick 6's, a punt return, and 3 long runs.  If I get him into space, it's over.  That said - every time he gets tackled, he's hurt.  He dances in traffic and gets tackled easily.  He tends to slow down through hand-offs making him easier to catch, and he reaches for the ball on hand-offs resulting in fumbles.  So getting him the ball in space has been a challenge.  He's frankly unreliable.