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Re: 2018 Enumclaw Jr. Hornets (Mighty Mites)
« Reply #30 on: November 19, 2018, 10:07:19 PM »
Even without Zone Blocking you can still teach them to read a Line Backer.

True enough, Scott.  But if they're allowed to run where they want if the hole isn't there, then reading blocks is pointless.

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Re: 2018 Enumclaw Jr. Hornets (Mighty Mites)
« Reply #31 on: November 19, 2018, 10:53:03 PM »
Chris, I appreciate the honesty.  But really, "straight up man blocking" doesn't work with anything, as a primary blocking approach.  And if your team was successful the year before, I'll argue that it was successful despite your blocking "scheme."  Use a real blocking scheme, with a real offense.  Even if your offense isn't a scheme, you've got to have some sort of blocking rules.  Otherwise, your players don't know who to block, they are easily confused by defenses and I could draw something up on game day that you couldn't defend.  Base blocking works when you are bigger & better than your opponents.  Or, you are simply great at teaching it. 

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I did some searching and have been reading about zone blocking on the forum. I found something Iím going to try to use and also do some more digging.

Thank you for your honesty in all of this. It will make me a better coach.

http://www.dumcoach.com/zone-blocking/requirements-for-lineman-in-zone-blocking/?action=dlattach;attach=11970

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Re: 2018 Enumclaw Jr. Hornets (Mighty Mites)
« Reply #32 on: November 19, 2018, 11:02:06 PM »
I did some searching and have been reading about zone blocking on the forum. I found something Iím going to try to use and also do some more digging.

"Zone blocking was created to handle moving defensive linemen. It is a simple concept, but it takes a lot of practice because it involves offensive linemen working in unison and decisions have to be made while the play is taking place.

--You will have to coach your linemen into what decisions you want them to make.

"In zone blocking, you don't have a lot of different assignments, but you have a lot of techniques. It takes many repetitions to get the feel of working together as a unit. The diversity of zone blocking comes by the back running different angles and by the offense using different formations to confuse the defense."

--Do you have an O-Line Coach?

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Re: 2018 Enumclaw Jr. Hornets (Mighty Mites)
« Reply #33 on: November 19, 2018, 11:12:34 PM »
"Zone blocking was created to handle moving defensive linemen. It is a simple concept, but it takes a lot of practice because it involves offensive linemen working in unison and decisions have to be made while the play is taking place.

--You will have to coach your linemen into what decisions you want them to make.

"In zone blocking, you don't have a lot of different assignments, but you have a lot of techniques. It takes many repetitions to get the feel of working together as a unit. The diversity of zone blocking comes by the back running different angles and by the offense using different formations to confuse the defense."

--Do you have an O-Line Coach?

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Dave,

I plan on learning all the techniques so I can teach it to our kids. We do have an o-line coach but he is a HS player and can't make all of the practices. I'm going to talk with the other coach that has been helping me on offense and see if we can get together to learn it over these next four months.

 -- Chris

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Re: 2018 Enumclaw Jr. Hornets (Mighty Mites)
« Reply #34 on: November 19, 2018, 11:23:23 PM »
I plan on learning all the techniques so I can teach it to our kids. We do have an o-line coach but he is a HS player and can't make all of the practices. I'm going to talk with the other coach that has been helping me on offense and see if we can get together to learn it over these next four months.

Chris, then start hanging out in the Pistol or Spread forums and asking questions there.  Coaches there can help you with this transition.

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Re: 2018 Enumclaw Jr. Hornets (Mighty Mites)
« Reply #35 on: November 19, 2018, 11:27:42 PM »
Chris, then start hanging out in the Pistol or Spread forums and asking questions there.  Coaches there can help you with this transition.

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Dave,

I will for sure do that. Should I just ask for help on teaching zone blocking out of the Pistol/Spread?

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Re: 2018 Enumclaw Jr. Hornets (Mighty Mites)
« Reply #36 on: November 19, 2018, 11:34:50 PM »
Should I just ask for help on teaching zone blocking out of the Pistol/Spread?

Ask for install help with Zone blocking and complementary plays out of Pistol/Spread.  Be sure to mention age group and your experience.  That will help coaches be able to pinpoint their answers better.

I've run Spread at the high school level with Zone blocking.  It's not something I'd undertake with a group that young but I wish you the best with it.

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Re: 2018 Enumclaw Jr. Hornets (Mighty Mites)
« Reply #37 on: November 19, 2018, 11:39:47 PM »
Ask for install help with Zone blocking and complementary plays out of Pistol/Spread.  Be sure to mention age group and your experience.  That will help coaches be able to pinpoint their answers better.

I've run Spread at the high school level with Zone blocking.  It's not something I'd undertake with a group that young but I wish you the best with it.

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Dave,

Thanks for all your help today.

-- Chris

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Re: 2018 Enumclaw Jr. Hornets (Mighty Mites)
« Reply #38 on: November 19, 2018, 11:40:59 PM »
Dave,

Thanks for all your help today.

-- Chris

Absolutely.  And if you have any non-Pistol, non-Spread, non-Zone blocking questions, feel free to call me.

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Re: 2018 Enumclaw Jr. Hornets (Mighty Mites)
« Reply #39 on: November 20, 2018, 07:27:13 AM »
True enough, Scott.  But if they're allowed to run where they want if the hole isn't there, then reading blocks is pointless.

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I agree 100%.  But I teach not only Blocks, but how to read the Line Backer.  If they listen and read correctly, using their one cut, works very well.  When they don't, its a hot mess.  A running back can make the Oline look Great or Dumber than a Bag of Hammers.  If the poster is going to learn and teach Zone Concepts, this is an important thing to understand.   :) 
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Re: 2018 Enumclaw Jr. Hornets (Mighty Mites)
« Reply #40 on: November 20, 2018, 03:49:33 PM »
Chris,
You need to give Joe (MHCoach) a call if you want to run spread/zone. Zach is a really good resource for zone schemes as well and Michael is an offensive line genius but he has been M.I.A. I am curious, why do you want to run spread/jet? Is it because it is what you are the most comfortable with or is it because that is what is expected of you to run because that is "what they run in high school"?

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Re: 2018 Enumclaw Jr. Hornets (Mighty Mites)
« Reply #41 on: November 20, 2018, 03:54:17 PM »
I also noticed you are in Washington. That is literally Dumcoach territory. You ever thought about running anything besides shotgun? You ever thought of running the Wing T? If you have, or even if you haven't, I would recommend looking into the DCWT. It is very youth friendly and there are lots of resources available for it plus there are quite a few coaches on this forum who run it. Not to mention Clark(Dumcoach), who created the offense is on the forums and lives in Washington.

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Re: 2018 Enumclaw Jr. Hornets (Mighty Mites)
« Reply #42 on: November 20, 2018, 05:05:48 PM »
I also noticed you are in Washington. That is literally Dumcoach territory. You ever thought about running anything besides shotgun? You ever thought of running the Wing T? If you have, or even if you haven't, I would recommend looking into the DCWT. It is very youth friendly and there are lots of resources available for it plus there are quite a few coaches on this forum who run it. Not to mention Clark(Dumcoach), who created the offense is on the forums and lives in Washington.

Iíve never considered it. I didnít want to change our offense too much. For a lot of these kids it will be their third year with us and we want to make the transition as easy as possible.

Also, I donít kkow much about it. Is it the SWT or the DWT.

Iím new to this forum and Iím open to everything. Iíll for sure take a look at it.

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Re: 2018 Enumclaw Jr. Hornets (Mighty Mites)
« Reply #43 on: November 20, 2018, 05:15:55 PM »
Iíve never considered it. I didnít want to change our offense too much. For a lot of these kids it will be their third year with us and we want to make the transition as easy as possible.

Also, I donít kkow much about it. Is it the SWT or the DWT.

Iím new to this forum and Iím open to everything. Iíll for sure take a look at it.

ó Chris
The DCWT is Clark's version of the Wing T. A peace of advice that took me many years to realize, run what you know and what you are comfortable with. The kids will adapt.

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Re: 2018 Enumclaw Jr. Hornets (Mighty Mites)
« Reply #44 on: November 20, 2018, 06:19:24 PM »
The DCWT is Clark's version of the Wing T. A peace of advice that took me many years to realize, run what you know and what you are comfortable with. The kids will adapt.

Iíll take a look at it and see if itís somethi plausible for our team.

ó Chris