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Re: 2018 Spring Preview
« Reply #135 on: February 09, 2018, 12:27:11 PM »
So you've never had a player who simply had a crap week of practice? If one of your players "earned" their way on the team, but in week 4 misses 2 practices, he still gets all of his plays on game day?

No.

I don't know what you mean by "crap week."  Wasn't motivated, or just made too many mistakes?  They're both different.  With us, miss a day of practice in a week, you miss one quarter of the game.  Miss two days of practice in a week and you miss one half of the game.  Miss three days of practice in a week, you miss the game.

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Re: 2018 Spring Preview
« Reply #136 on: February 09, 2018, 12:37:31 PM »
I had the same concerns when Mahonz first started talking to me about platooning. The EXACT same concerns.

I have yet to see it materialize. Deion is a great example. Best player on the team (on either team more often than not) on either side of the ball. Loves to carry the team on his back. He LOVES platooning, although he would rather O and D. He ends up being MUCH better on one side of the ball because he's fresher, more focused and has had much more practice at his one position.

Twice, we threw him in on defense late in the 4th in close games because we were struggling to stop the opponent. Both times he helped us preserve the win. Once by locking up a stud receiver and once by spying a stud RPO QB.

After 5 seasons of some degree of platooning, I much prefer bigger rosters and platooning.

Having said that, maybe that's the issue with our 3 guys who are walking away. Maybe they want to play both sides of the ball. I'll have Mahonz ask them if he hasn't burned that bridge.

Before the 15% Rule hit and the MP count went up....Keenan and I two platoon'd 100% with 32 players for about 5 years. This was with all 6th graders and up. We would finish up with the 8th graders and take on a 6th or 7th grade team in disarray.

There were a few grumblings but the disarray went away so they backed off.

I have not heard any grumblings after last Springs experiment but Im sure there were a few. But...you know me....I really dont care. This season I put it out there that we will do the same thing this Spring and 40 kids tried to sign up.

You've seen my breakdowns....we have 2 too many kids this season....but Im sure we will figure it out. One thing is true...with so many bodies its rare when they are all suited up for every game. Always seem to be missing at least one so there is that.
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Re: 2018 Spring Preview
« Reply #137 on: February 09, 2018, 12:54:38 PM »
No.

I don't know what you mean by "crap week."  Wasn't motivated, or just made too many mistakes?  They're both different.  With us, miss a day of practice in a week, you miss one quarter of the game.  Miss two days of practice in a week and you miss one half of the game.  Miss three days of practice in a week, you miss the game.

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I'll never take plays away for mistakes.  A "crap week" for me simply means attendance, effort or attitude.
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Re: 2018 Spring Preview
« Reply #138 on: February 09, 2018, 12:57:54 PM »

You've seen my breakdowns....we have 2 too many kids this season....but Im sure we will figure it out. One thing is true...with so many bodies its rare when they are all suited up for every game. Always seem to be missing at least one so there is that.

Just a suggestion: Let's not get worked up if kids miss practice this Spring. They are simply telling us they don't care about playing time on game day. They are doing us a favor by simplifying our game day musical chairs. I prefer adding structure to it like DP suggested. It seems to take the emotion out of it.
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Re: 2018 Spring Preview
« Reply #139 on: February 09, 2018, 01:07:02 PM »
Just a suggestion: Let's not get worked up if kids miss practice this Spring. They are simply telling us they don't care about playing time on game day. They are doing us a favor by simplifying our game day musical chairs. I prefer adding structure to it like DP suggested. It seems to take the emotion out of it.

Great idea.
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Re: 2018 Spring Preview
« Reply #140 on: February 09, 2018, 01:15:22 PM »
Let's not get worked up if kids miss practice this Spring.

--And I don't get worked up about it.  As I've said, they get 6 before turning in their gear.  There's no diff between an excused and unexcused absence.  Take the day off and you will see it impact your playing time on game day.

They are simply telling us they don't care about playing time on game day. They are doing us a favor by simplifying our game day musical chairs. I prefer adding structure to it like DP suggested. It seems to take the emotion out of it.

--Yes, there's no emotion involved.  Whether your sick, have a project due, or just tired, you make the choice not to attend and you've made the choice about your playing time.  BTW--No one missed 6 practices, last year.  I tell parents and players, one of the great things about sports is that it teaches kids how to best prioritize their time.  If you let them miss practice because of homework or an overdue project, you're allowing them to miss out on how to prioritize.  It's one of the hardest lessons for kids to understand.  Don't take that lesson away from them. 

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Re: 2018 Spring Preview
« Reply #141 on: February 09, 2018, 01:24:19 PM »
Mahonz is good for one good meltdown over attendance each Spring. I'm just suggesting that we skip the meltdown and just bench kids for attendance.  The economics are in our favor.

Our Fall team gets it. Last season, they were pissed at a player who made a habit of missing practice. They weren't pissed because they had to do pushups for his attendance, although that would have been the case in years past. They weren't pissed because it wasn't "fair" that he missed practice and they didn't, although that would have been the case in years past. They were pissed because everyone came to practice to get better . . . except for one kid. They were pissed at his effort and how it was hurting the team. Only took 5 years to get there.
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Re: 2018 Spring Preview
« Reply #142 on: February 09, 2018, 01:42:10 PM »
With us, miss a day of practice in a week, you miss one quarter of the game.  Miss two days of practice in a week and you miss one half of the game. 


Realizing you are HS now, not PW with MPR...

I haven't figured out how to make this work with MPR's.  The rules state you can sit kids for discipline, which includes absences from practice.  But it seems like the rules create an all or nothing situation. If you put a kid in at all, you have to give him his minimum plays.  Obviously you can discipline a kid who plays a lot by cutting his plays.  But when you have a kid who is usually at or near the min to begin with...

The only time I've run into any compromise was in the playoffs this past year - the rep from the conference who was on our sideline said I didn't have to get a kid his MPR when he came out of the game hurt in the 1st quarter, but then was ready to go back in the game in the 4th quarter (EMT okayed him going back in).  To her credit, she realized it put me in a bind in a close game because the rest of our MPR's were done.  I got him his plays anyway, I wasn't looking for an out.


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Re: 2018 Spring Preview
« Reply #143 on: February 09, 2018, 01:44:42 PM »
Mahonz is good for one good meltdown over attendance each Spring. I'm just suggesting that we skip the meltdown and just bench kids for attendance.  The economics are in our favor.

Our Fall team gets it. Last season, they were pissed at a player who made a habit of missing practice. They weren't pissed because they had to do pushups for his attendance, although that would have been the case in years past. They weren't pissed because it wasn't "fair" that he missed practice and they didn't, although that would have been the case in years past. They were pissed because everyone came to practice to get better . . . except for one kid. They were pissed at his effort and how it was hurting the team. Only took 5 years to get there.

I had at least 5 players ask me if R was playing in this Spring. When I told them he was cut they were happy. They really were upset about this too include X-Man.

Now I have to make sure Coach Scott isnt a problem for the players with him being a part timer. We will just address this day one is my thinking so the kids know whats up.

The MPR is 8 plays per game. So...if a player misses a practice then he plays 8 plays? Is that the new policy? Remember why I meltdown. Sometimes we only have 20 out of 30 at a practice because a group of them will have some school function. So do we do like Dave does and give them x number of misses before they are benched?
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Re: 2018 Spring Preview
« Reply #144 on: February 09, 2018, 02:16:03 PM »
I haven't figured out how to make this work with MPR's.  The rules state you can sit kids for discipline, which includes absences from practice.  But it seems like the rules create an all or nothing situation. If you put a kid in at all, you have to give him his minimum plays.  Obviously you can discipline a kid who plays a lot by cutting his plays.  But when you have a kid who is usually at or near the min to begin with.

For us at PW, regardless of whether the kid was a starter or an MPR, we sat them for the game.  We sat kids to make a point and we felt like the best way to make that point wasn't to limit their playing time, but to eliminate it.  In other words, you are required to attend the game, wear street clothes and be the water boy.  Dressing the part of "water boy" for all of your teammates to see was a situation that our players did not want to find themselves in.  We even referred to them as such.  "Where's Water Boy?"  "Water Boy, get over here!"  Nothing nice or pleasant about it.  The players hated it and as a result, it rarely happened.

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Re: 2018 Spring Preview
« Reply #145 on: February 09, 2018, 02:52:33 PM »
Now I have to make sure Coach Scott isnt a problem for the players with him being a part timer. We will just address this day one is my thinking so the kids know whats up.
I personally think Godzilla was just pushing your buttons that day.  What position is Scott coaching this Spring?

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The MPR is 8 plays per game. So...if a player misses a practice then he plays 8 plays? Is that the new policy? Remember why I meltdown. Sometimes we only have 20 out of 30 at a practice because a group of them will have some school function. So do we do like Dave does and give them x number of misses before they are benched?

Here's what I'm thinking:

If you miss a practice (unexcused), you miss a quarter for each practice you miss. If we get cute and count our 1 hour pregame, you get one quarter if you just show up on game day. On the quarters that you're in, you follow the regular rotation. This will make your play counting gymnastics easier.

Now, regarding excused/unexcused. We need to clean that up. Official school function like band concert or anything after hours that affects your grade and/or attendance: excused. Our problem came from excusing "family functions".  Wedding/birth/funeral? You bet. R really pushed the boundaries with his aunt graduating. Then he trampled those boundaries with concerts and Rockies games. Then he shat all over those boundaries when he called trick or treating a "family function". Let's let the kids decide what constitutes a legitimate family function before or after our first practice.

Vacations? They sure are fun, so enjoy yourself, but you are missing playing time if you miss practice because you were in Costa Rica.

Let the captains handle the appeals process. First of all, you can't challenge for captain if you miss a practice (unexcused). If a kid wants to appeal his unexcused absence, captains decide. It would be a great learning experience to enforce team rules.
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Re: 2018 Spring Preview
« Reply #146 on: February 09, 2018, 03:00:17 PM »
My guess is that the captains will decide that Deion always plays.

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Re: 2018 Spring Preview
« Reply #147 on: February 09, 2018, 03:17:56 PM »
For us at PW, regardless of whether the kid was a starter or an MPR, we sat them for the game. 

So to be clear - was this for 1 miss?  So you were all or nothing?

Which again, seems to be what the rules require...


Let the captains handle the appeals process. First of all, you can't challenge for captain if you miss a practice (unexcused). If a kid wants to appeal his unexcused absence, captains decide. It would be a great learning experience to enforce team rules.

Eh - I might work with the team or the captains to clarify some of the parameters before the season, but don't think I'd let them make decisions around discipline during the season.  In fact, I definitely wouldn't.

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Re: 2018 Spring Preview
« Reply #148 on: February 09, 2018, 03:47:38 PM »
Wanna find out what rules and your morality and ethics are worth? Create team consel of players you trust and let them decide. Be amazed at how things work. And it won't be how most here think.
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« Reply #149 on: February 09, 2018, 04:09:49 PM »
My guess is that the captains will decide that Deion always plays.

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My guess is that they would never have to. I'm convinced that Deion comes to practice on our days off. If you asked him what he wanted to do for his birthday, he'd want to play football.
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