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Re: 2018 Spring Preview
« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2018, 08:31:09 PM »
What's your definition of a pig?  Is it (lack of) talent?

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Lack of effort drive want....proven over a long period of time.

I call it stealing from others. Smurfs...somewhat expected. Youths....barely tolerable. Young men....hit the road.
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Re: 2018 Spring Preview
« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2018, 08:36:08 PM »
Lack of effort drive want....proven over a long period of time.

I call it stealing from others. Smurfs...somewhat expected. Youths....barely tolerable. Young men....hit the road.

I've never understood the "lack of effort" part.  There's no way they complete the introductory process without giving incredible effort.

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Re: 2018 Spring Preview
« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2018, 08:40:03 PM »
I've never understood the "lack of effort" part.  There's no way they complete the introductory process without giving incredible effort.

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Correct...and why they are done. I dont understand it either except they are there to play dress up. Its what grinds on me about coaching youth football....you pay you play regardless. Sure given enough time they should come around. Most do...some dont.

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Re: 2018 Spring Preview
« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2018, 08:50:50 PM »
I didnt even think twice about it since we are an Independent select team that pays all of their own Bills. Its Lar that has to keep all the puppies....me?....only too a point.

My take....everyone is good at something. These kids will never be good at football....ever....unless they go into coaching which one of our players is going to do since he will be on IR until May. He would have been my 4th cut BTW. My foot was so far up his ass the last two seasons....I almost renamed our Godzillas after him. I almost made a 5th cut but this kid saved his own butt last Fall and is one of Lar's puppies.

This team will be 3 months from HS ball once we hit the field. Time to grow some hair on your balls and get ready for....reality.

Not exactly sure what "reality" is. None of my HS teams cut anyone. We had terrible players who rarely played, but they were still treated as part of the team.

Did these kids play spring ball in years past? The fact that you guys discussed it and came to a decision on it, makes it seem like this is not a typical select team.

Anyhow, I guess my only objection would be to how they're being characterized. Kid plays for 3-4 years, it's not just about the uniform. If you think you can put em thru the meat grinder & they'll stay around, to me that says a lot. Kids i've known that show up for the uni, ain't playing spring ball & getting through hell week.
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Re: 2018 Spring Preview
« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2018, 09:08:47 PM »
1 other thing that's interesting to me is the guarantee that none of the 3 will play HS ball. I'd bet at least 1 of em plays all 4 years.

We had a kid a few years ago who was tiny, no talent, terrified. Barely played. Kid got to HS, hit the weights like a psycho, played all 4 years & ended up an honerable mention linebacker for our county. I can think of at least 5 kids who showed virtually nothing when we had em, then on to play all 4 years in HS.
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Re: 2018 Spring Preview
« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2018, 10:18:47 PM »
1 other thing that's interesting to me is the guarantee that none of the 3 will play HS ball. I'd bet at least 1 of em plays all 4 years.

We had a kid a few years ago who was tiny, no talent, terrified. Barely played. Kid got to HS, hit the weights like a psycho, played all 4 years & ended up an honerable mention linebacker for our county. I can think of at least 5 kids who showed virtually nothing when we had em, then on to play all 4 years in HS.

I'll take that bet. Whats the wager?
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Re: 2018 Spring Preview
« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2018, 10:39:46 PM »
Not exactly sure what "reality" is. None of my HS teams cut anyone. We had terrible players who rarely played, but they were still treated as part of the team.

Did these kids play spring ball in years past? The fact that you guys discussed it and came to a decision on it, makes it seem like this is not a typical select team.

Anyhow, I guess my only objection would be to how they're being characterized. Kid plays for 3-4 years, it's not just about the uniform. If you think you can put em thru the meat grinder & they'll stay around, to me that says a lot. Kids i've known that show up for the uni, ain't playing spring ball & getting through hell week.

None of the HS Programs cut at the Freshman level. Beyond that they do except for one Program. Considering the fact our Sport is shrinking....kinda surprised myself.

I had a Freshman kid call me in September nearly in tears. This kid can play and they didn't even know his name. I could only tell him what I believe to be true. Hit the weight room this off season and they will learn your name.

The team Kinda grew into its own animal. If I had this kinda talent every Fall I'd....start doing Clinics and selling Books.  :) Its a bit strange too me considering 4 years ago this team started with 11 players and only won 2 games.

You are correct...only true Geeks of the game play in the Spring but we have picked up a few Rookies that were keepers along the way.

I've had two players make it to the NFL. Both were MP's as 8 year olds so I get what you are saying.  :)
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Re: 2018 Spring Preview
« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2018, 11:44:15 PM »
I'll take that bet. Whats the wager?

Oh I don't know. We gonna stalk this kid for 5 years? lol. I'm just saying, if a kid has played ball for 4 years and want to play sprink ball, there's a REALLY good chance he'll play HS ball. I think the odds are much higher on yes than no.

Now, if the HS cuts kids, obviously that would change things quite a bit. Around here, they take all comers. I remember growing up thinking "wth is this kid doing here?" Then a couple years later i'd do anything for the same kid.

Frankly there's a part of me that's pretty impressed you guys have the cajones to cut a kid after 4 years. I think i'm just too soft when it comes to stuff like that.

If I was really thinking about doing it tho, I'd def ask the rest of the team. Your boys are old enough, & been playing together long enough, to have a little bit of democracy in the process. I've always been amazed how the older boys are very protective over their weak teammates. You'd think they'd be like "cut that scrub" but instead they're like "hey, that's MY scrub dammit."
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Re: 2018 Spring Preview
« Reply #23 on: January 12, 2018, 12:00:10 AM »
Oh I don't know. We gonna stalk this kid for 5 years? lol. I'm just saying, if a kid has played ball for 4 years and want to play sprink ball, there's a REALLY good chance he'll play HS ball. I think the odds are much higher on yes than no.

Now, if the HS cuts kids, obviously that would change things quite a bit. Around here, they take all comers. I remember growing up thinking "wth is this kid doing here?" Then a couple years later i'd do anything for the same kid.

Frankly there's a part of me that's pretty impressed you guys have the cajones to cut a kid after 4 years. I think i'm just too soft when it comes to stuff like that.

If I was really thinking about doing it tho, I'd def ask the rest of the team. Your boys are old enough, & been playing together long enough, to have a little bit of democracy in the process. I've always been amazed how the older boys are very protective over their weak teammates. You'd think they'd be like "cut that scrub" but instead they're like "hey, that's MY scrub dammit."

Cutting is brutal but necessary. Why carry dead weight when you dont have too? Its called stealing. 

My short stint at the HS level went like this. I was part of the Freshman Staff.

Day One - Shells with 65 kids running around looking important.
Day Two - Same but with the V Header present for 30 minutes.
Day Three- Full Pads with 55 kids running around looking important.
Day Four - Same but with the V Header present for 30 minutes.
Day Five - Header hands us a list with 20 jersey numbers to cut and then hands us an O and D to run with these parting words...

Run this to the letter or I will cut you next.

You didn't discuss because this guy rarely lost a game. 

I also learned how to cut at the semi pro level. Had to get to 60 from 250 by the last week of pre season. That was easy. I just gave my cuts to our 400 pound Bounty Hunter Head of Security and he handled the rest.    :P





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Re: 2018 Spring Preview
« Reply #24 on: January 12, 2018, 12:48:11 AM »
Cutting is brutal but necessary. Why carry dead weight when you dont have too? Its called stealing. 



I guess part of it is because the stakes seem so low to be cutting guys. I mean, local youth spring ball? If you guys were traveling & doing tournaments, i'd get it. But to be a unit all these years & just cut 2 kids.... I don't know. To me that should be a team decision. I mean if those kids truly are an albatross & stealing reps, let the kids who's reps they're stealing weigh in on it.   

Anyhow, not a right or wrong thing. Just presenting another option.  I can see both perspectives. I battle w/ this stuff too. We had a kid this year who was TINY. Absolutely TERRIFIED. He literally cried mutiple times, on the field, due to fear. I thought a number of times about what a pain in the ass it was gonna be to coach this kid.

Talked to his dad, & his dad told me how much he loved football. I mean, was an absolute fanatic. Played flag for years. Long story short, he ended the year doing a great job, great kid, & i'm glad we didn't quit on him, even tho I def had the thoughts cross my mind.
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Re: 2018 Spring Preview
« Reply #25 on: January 12, 2018, 01:13:56 AM »
Cutting is brutal but necessary. Why carry dead weight when you dont have too? Its called stealing.

Again, I don't get the "dead weight" thing?  How can they be dead weight if they're on the team?  I mean, they had to get through your criteria to get on the team.  And if the criteria is hard enough, then I can't understand how they can get through the criteria, but are too lazy to play.  Makes no sense.

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Re: 2018 Spring Preview
« Reply #26 on: January 12, 2018, 03:24:25 AM »
Again, I don't get the "dead weight" thing?  How can they be dead weight if they're on the team?  I mean, they had to get through your criteria to get on the team.  And if the criteria is hard enough, then I can't understand how they can get through the criteria, but are too lazy to play.  Makes no sense.

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Criteria was that they signed up. I'm not saying that we're not responsible for being in this situation. The kids in question are partly responsible, but we allowed it. Other than that, what's not to get? 10% of our team is messing up our mojo.

This is all likely moot. One talked his way back. The second may have already registered online, so our hands are tied. If he registered, he's on. The last one said he's done with football.

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Re: 2018 Spring Preview
« Reply #27 on: January 12, 2018, 08:45:41 AM »
I didnt even think twice about it since we are an Independent select team that pays all of their own Bills.

Ewww. That word. If the shoe fits . . . .

It just dawned on me that our Spring team is now a select team.

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Re: 2018 Spring Preview
« Reply #28 on: January 12, 2018, 10:20:16 AM »
Ewww. That word. If the shoe fits . . . .

It just dawned on me that our Spring team is now a select team.

Kinda went that direction last season when we had to trun players away.

I suppose we could have tried to field two teams this year.
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Re: 2018 Spring Preview
« Reply #29 on: January 12, 2018, 10:30:05 AM »
Costume
LOVE that term

Back in about 1998- when I ran my Omaha Inner-city program a young hispanic kid about 8 or 9 came up to me and asked
"do we wear the costume?"
I Had NO CLUE what he was talking about
We had a game the next day- he was brand new to football and his English was pretty poor

After talking to him a bit - Yes- we wear the costume aka equipment and game jersey on game days

Yes- we have kids like the ones you are cutting in our program
They are all MPRs and Ive proactively talked to some of their parents about their playing time- to set expectations in close games and for the season etc
The dealio is most of these kids just want to be with their friends and part of something bigger than themselves- that's what I hear from their parents
Most of them dont beg for playing time, but appreciate their chances to play
They come to every practice and do the bare minimum to stay on the team
Every player is different and have their own motivations

They arent trouble makers or distractions
Sometimes they are great helpers- with water, gear etc
Sometimes they are good cheerleaders
Sometimes they are kids our better kids rally behind- which is cool IMO

As long as they arent a major distraction to others and the parents arent pains- we are happy to have them
As we add a combined grade team this year- Im actually keeping the 2 worst ones- because their parents are awesome, the kids and I understand each other- and I just like them- feel I can offer them a better football experience than putting them on the less competitive combined team- where they would be MPRS there as well- no increase in playing time.
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