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Re: High School Scrimmage
« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2018, 03:53:57 PM »
give the new guy a chance, do your best, play hard and make us all proud! .....then the kids can be winners. Just my two cents.

Agree. I could do that regardless of how I felt about the new guy.
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Re: High School Scrimmage
« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2018, 04:02:04 PM »
I've been known to say, "I like winning, we all want to win, and I expect to win.........but I won't compromise morals to win."

Brian, here's how I address parents at the parent's meeting:  "Make no mistake, I am all about winning.  But I'm not just about winning at football.  We are about winning at everything we do.  We're about winning in the classroom, at home and in the community.  We are teaching them to be successful, not to merely compete.  There are no participation ribbons here.  That's not real life.  If I'm not teaching them to be successful, then I'm not doing my job as a coach.  Winning consistently is hard to achieve.  It's a lot of work.  It's more work than many people want to put in.  Our players are going to work harder here, than they've ever had to work before.  This will be the biggest physical and mental challenge they've ever been through."

Some people will confuse what I wrote above as meaning "winning at all costs."  I've never said that.  I've never even implied it.  And I know we won't take shortcuts or circumvent certain rules just because we don't happen to agree with them.   

A lot of coaches say they are "all about" the things I listed above (winning, grades, community, etc., blah, blah, blah).  But we put our money where our mouth is.  We back it up.  The record on the field speaks for itself.  Our Academic Hall of Fame and our range of academic success programs does, as well.  Our community outreach was demonstrated by the five young men who received citations last year for what they did in their community.  And their success at home is mandated through our Sunday Night Phone Calls, Off-Season Action Plan and the regular monitoring of what our players are doing.

So when I say "I am all about winning," I make no apologies for it, for what our demands are, or for how hard our kids have to work.  We are teaching them that success is the byproduct of a disciplined, organized and thorough approach, as well as hard work.  Something that some coaches and players seem to have forgotten about, or perhaps have never known.

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Re: High School Scrimmage
« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2018, 04:36:10 PM »
100%. Very few youth coaches are "win at all costs". I mean, really. But many unsuccessful coaches think they are unsuccessful because their opponents have compromised their morals. That MUST be the reason, right?

100% true- they almost always point the finger- rarely the thumb

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Re: High School Scrimmage
« Reply #18 on: August 11, 2018, 05:03:23 PM »
New guy?  Steve, the kids didn't like him last year when he was the Defensive Coordonator.  He's one of those stand-around-and-make-speeches guys ("You gotta want it!")  The Varsity staff didn't respect him because he doesn't understand scheme, adjustments or theory. 

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I get it, wrong guy got hired,....my point is this....and its hard to makr thru typing....the kids should just play football
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Re: High School Scrimmage
« Reply #19 on: August 11, 2018, 07:23:49 PM »
"Never" is a long time, but I think VERY few coaches have said, "I am a win at all costs guy".  A typical "I am/we are not 'win at all costs" coach is really saying:

* "I will not cheat or endanger a player to win a game." - Congratulations, you just met the minimum requirement for being a decent human being.

* "I will make decisions from time to time that will sacrifice a "football win" for a "feel good" moral victory." You may also retroactively play that card to explain what was really just a bad decision.

* "They are really just about winning at all costs". That stops the tears at night and is easier than saying "Wow. That coach is much better than me." It is MUCH, MUCH easier than doing the work to get better than "they".

Ironically, these are the same guys who don't know the names of their 3rd or 4th string guys. They will play the same 11 both ways and the bottom half of their roster will never get practice reps, let alone playing time. This sets them up nicely for the end of the season where they will talk about "our guys won't", "our guys can't", or "our guys didn't", which is their way of saying they laid out a perfect plan for success, but the players screwed it up.

And to think, they had DP for free. Dave, if you were coaching my kid, you would not hear a peep from me other than "what can I do to help your program?" and "thank you".

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Re: High School Scrimmage
« Reply #20 on: August 11, 2018, 10:17:48 PM »
Brian, here's how I address parents at the parent's meeting:  "Make no mistake, I am all about winning.  But I'm not just about winning at football.  We are about winning at everything we do.  We're about winning in the classroom, at home and in the community.  We are teaching them to be successful, not to merely compete.  There are no participation ribbons here.  That's not real life.  If I'm not teaching them to be successful, then I'm not doing my job as a coach.  Winning consistently is hard to achieve.  It's a lot of work.  It's more work than many people want to put in.  Our players are going to work harder here, than they've ever had to work before.  This will be the biggest physical and mental challenge they've ever been through."

Some people will confuse what I wrote above as meaning "winning at all costs."  I've never said that.  I've never even implied it.  And I know we won't take shortcuts or circumvent certain rules just because we don't happen to agree with them.   

A lot of coaches say they are "all about" the things I listed above (winning, grades, community, etc., blah, blah, blah).  But we put our money where our mouth is.  We back it up.  The record on the field speaks for itself.  Our Academic Hall of Fame and our range of academic success programs does, as well.  Our community outreach was demonstrated by the five young men who received citations last year for what they did in their community.  And their success at home is mandated through our Sunday Night Phone Calls, Off-Season Action Plan and the regular monitoring of what our players are doing.

So when I say "I am all about winning," I make no apologies for it, for what our demands are, or for how hard our kids have to work.  We are teaching them that success is the byproduct of a disciplined, organized and thorough approach, as well as hard work.  Something that some coaches and players seem to have forgotten about, or perhaps have never known.

--Dave

I completely agree with you.  When I'm talking about coaches here that cheated to win....things like using illegal players, etc.

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Re: High School Scrimmage
« Reply #21 on: August 11, 2018, 10:29:11 PM »
100%. Very few youth coaches are "win at all costs". I mean, really. But many unsuccessful coaches think they are unsuccessful because their opponents have compromised their morals. That MUST be the reason, right?

I guess the first question is what makes a coach successful or unsuccessful?  I've had teams that played for a championship and teams that only won a few games.  There's been times that you could say I was unsuccessful as a coach because we finished the season 3-5, but at the same time I feel successful in other aspects because the kids got better all year long and even played the eventual undefeated league champions to a close  game, losing to them 18-14 (their closest game of the season), and along the way the kids learned a lot of life lessons and grew into fine young men.  I've also coached teams that went undefeated in the regular season, and then lost in the playoffs.  While we were pretty successful on the field, I also feel that I didn't do as good of a job coaching as I should have.

When I'm successful I don't necessarily think it was because of my coaching.  When I've been unsuccessful I always think it was because of my coaching, not because of the other team or their coach.

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Re: High School Scrimmage
« Reply #22 on: August 11, 2018, 11:05:13 PM »
I get it, wrong guy got hired,....my point is this....and its hard to makr thru typing....the kids should just play football

No, it's not that the wrong guy got hired.  It's about whether I'm dabbling with their program, or somehow hindering their approach.  I'm doing neither; just commenting on what's happened and replying to parents who have reached out to me.

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Re: High School Scrimmage
« Reply #23 on: August 11, 2018, 11:08:36 PM »
I think VERY few coaches have said, "I am a win at all costs guy".

No one says that.  Urban Meyer doesn't say it.  DJ Durkin doesn't say it.  As a matter of fact, I've never heard anyone say it.  But your program reflects whether you are a "win at all costs guy" and we've all seen enough cheating at the collegiate and pro levels to be able to spot a "win at all costs guy."

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Re: High School Scrimmage
« Reply #24 on: August 11, 2018, 11:10:38 PM »
Ironically, these are the same guys who don't know the names of their 3rd or 4th string guys. They will play the same 11 both ways and the bottom half of their roster will never get practice reps, let alone playing time. This sets them up nicely for the end of the season where they will talk about "our guys won't", "our guys can't", or "our guys didn't", which is their way of saying they laid out a perfect plan for success, but the players screwed it up.

Lar, I see that you have attended this summer's EWHS football practices.

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Re: High School Scrimmage
« Reply #25 on: August 11, 2018, 11:12:26 PM »
if you were coaching my kid, you would not hear a peep from me other than "what can I do to help your program?" and "thank you".

Thank you.  And the interesting thing is, that is exactly what we got from our parents.

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Re: High School Scrimmage
« Reply #26 on: August 11, 2018, 11:15:38 PM »
I completely agree with you.  When I'm talking about coaches here that cheated to win....things like using illegal players, etc.

Oh, I get it.  I'm just saying that when I go on record as saying, "I am all about winning..." that some people (here) think that I'm a "win at any costs" type of coach. 

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Re: High School Scrimmage
« Reply #27 on: August 16, 2018, 02:56:11 PM »
I did not attend the EWHS scrimmage last night, as we were practicing.  But I heard about.  Oh brother, did I hear about it via phone calls and text.  On the JV team, my QB took a hit on the 4th play of the first scrimmage (there were 3 scrimmage opponents).  The hit put him out of the scrimmage and into Concussion Protocol.  However, they had to have him still help with play-calls and explanations because the rest of the offense was confused about their assignments.  Our best offensive lineman couldn't participate because he doen't have enough practice days.  What's interesting about that, is that he is a young man who never misses practice.  His parents are the type of people who call you in the off-season to make sure they know the summer practice dates so they can schedule their vacation around practice so that their son doesn't miss and fall behind.  He was slated to be my starting Center and is one of the most incredible young men I've ever known (not just coached).  So the whole thing started off badly and quickly got worse....

Evidently, the new Varsity header said at the parents meeting that he's "not all about winning"....
Well that's a red flag anytime a coach offers up that excuse.  We all know that really means: "I don't know how to be successful."  It's a built-in excuse to hedge his bets.  Because if you knew how to teach your team to win, then why wouldn't you?  Aren't they successful because of their knowledge of scheme and fundamentals?  Or even perhaps their talent?  But to not "be about winning?..."  lol  If you CAN teach your kids (players) to be successful, then why wouldn't you?  Why would you hold out on them?  Why would you withhold information that could make them better?  Why would you not teach them everything?  Why wouldn't you teach them to be successful?  Why wouldn't you be about "winning?"  If you aren't about teaching your players to be successful, then you aren't doing your job as a coach; you aren't fulfilling your commitment to your players.  The only coaches who say they aren't "all about winning" are the ones who don't know how.

We teach winning because we know how to win.

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Just curious as to why you wanted to start a thread that throws shade at a program you have a relationship with???

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« Reply #28 on: August 16, 2018, 03:13:59 PM »
Just curious as to why you wanted to start a thread that throws shade at a program you have a relationship with?

Whether it's a team I've had a "relationship" with, or not, I talk about football.  When a player is removed from the game because of a suspected concussion, but still enlisted to help with the offense because the players are confused about what's going on, that's inexcusable.  A player with a suspected concussion should not be involved with game play, at any level.  Evidently some coaches don't understand that.  Evidently, these coaches didn't understand that.  As for coaches who remark that they're "not all about winning," that's long been a red flag and a cop out, whether it's a team that I've been associated with, or not.

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Re: High School Scrimmage
« Reply #29 on: August 16, 2018, 03:29:14 PM »
I don't want to say I told you so DP, but I told you so.