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Re: High School Scrimmage
« Reply #30 on: August 16, 2018, 03:30:02 PM »
Chris (Dimson) has several times said he suspects a long season for this team.  I hope that's not the case and I remain hopeful.  But regardless of whether I coached there or not, should not preclude me from being honest about what I see (or hear).  When I coach our youth team in the evenings, three of the kids I coached at EWHS last season come out each night and help or just hang out at our youth practices.  I hear what's going on.  I see their frustration.  That's tough on me.  But tougher on them.  I support those kids that worked hard in our program.  I hope that they have the right hire.  Those kids put in too much hard work for it all to get flushed. 

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Re: High School Scrimmage
« Reply #31 on: August 16, 2018, 03:34:21 PM »
Chris (Dimson) has several times said he suspects a long season for this team.  I hope that's not the case and I remain hopeful.  But regardless of whether I coached there or not, should not preclude me from being honest about what I see (or hear).  When I coach our youth team in the evenings, three of the kids I coached at EWHS last season come out each night and help or just hang out at our youth practices.  I hear what's going on.  I see their frustration.  That's tough on me.  But tougher on them.  I support those kids that worked hard in our program.  I hope that they have the right hire.  Those kids put in too much hard work for it all to get flushed. 

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As soon as he fired you and your staff, it was going to be a long season. I feel bad for you and your boys because you both deserve better. I am just glad I get to follow your youth journey this season.

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Re: High School Scrimmage
« Reply #32 on: August 16, 2018, 03:44:14 PM »
I am just glad I get to follow your youth journey this season.

We'll see.  Low numbers and high weights are an issue.  The league just sent out an email that said 2 of the 6 teams in our weight classification have already folded.

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Re: High School Scrimmage
« Reply #33 on: August 16, 2018, 03:46:14 PM »
We'll see.  Low numbers and high weights are an issue.  The league just sent out an email that said 2 of the 6 teams in our weight classification have already folded.

--Dave
Well hopefully you guys can hang on. That is why I prefer non weight limit leagues. Don't have to worry about weight, just numbers.

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Re: High School Scrimmage
« Reply #34 on: August 16, 2018, 03:52:42 PM »
Add to that, the season has already been delayed one week to allow teams to find more players and get player's weights lower.  One of the biggest dislikes I have about Pop Warner is their weight limits.  And we don't have an older team to send our heavier kids to play for.  And it's the heavy ones who really need to play.  One young man was 8 lbs. over and has never played sports.  He has no dad and is at a loss to understand how this game could be a benefit to him.  I've suggested to mom that she take him to an unlimited-weight rec league, but she doesn't listen.  In the mean time, he can't practice with us, but he's supposed to run around to lose the weight.  I don't know how this is any different from "sweating him down," which PW forbids.  Frustrating for me.  I can't imagine what it must be like for him.  Thanks Pop Warner.  ::)

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Re: High School Scrimmage
« Reply #35 on: August 16, 2018, 03:55:10 PM »
Add to that, the season has already been delayed one week to allow teams to find more players and get player's weights lower.  One of the biggest dislikes I have about Pop Warner is their weight limits.  And we don't have an older team to send our heavier kids to play for.  And it's the heavy ones who really need to play.  One young man was 8 lbs. over and has never played sports.  He has no dad and is at a loss to understand how this game could be a benefit to him.  I've suggested to mom that she take him to an unlimited-weight rec league, but she doesn't listen.  In the mean time, he can't practice with us, but he's supposed to run around to lose the weight.  I don't know how this is any different from "sweating him down," which PW forbids.  Frustrating for me.  I can't imagine what it must be like for him.  Thanks Pop Warner.  ::)

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The he can't practice with you thing is silly. Do they expect him to drop weight on his own?

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Re: High School Scrimmage
« Reply #36 on: August 16, 2018, 04:05:44 PM »
The he can't practice with you thing is silly. Do they expect him to drop weight on his own?

It's not just dropping weight "on his own."  Even if he participated in every type of drill we do, 8 lbs. is a lot for someone who has never put in the kind of work that we demand.  (He's also asthmatic.)  And with no idea or control over what he eats/drinks when he's at home....

In a day and age where participation numbers are dropping, PW needs to look at ways to be more inclusive.  They've never published any studies about how their age/weight matrix makes youth football a safer game.  That's just the way they've always done it and it's a way to separate themselves from AYF, or whoever.  If "weight" were the be-all and end-all in youth ball, then championship teams would have the heaviest teams they could assemble.  Instead, stacking focuses on talent and age (older/lighters), not weight.

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Re: High School Scrimmage
« Reply #37 on: August 16, 2018, 05:21:43 PM »
It's not just dropping weight "on his own."  Even if he participated in every type of drill we do, 8 lbs. is a lot for someone who has never put in the kind of work that we demand.  (He's also asthmatic.)  And with no idea or control over what he eats/drinks when he's at home....

In a day and age where participation numbers are dropping, PW needs to look at ways to be more inclusive.  They've never published any studies about how their age/weight matrix makes youth football a safer game.  That's just the way they've always done it and it's a way to separate themselves from AYF, or whoever.  If "weight" were the be-all and end-all in youth ball, then championship teams would have the heaviest teams they could assemble.  Instead, stacking focuses on talent and age (older/lighters), not weight.

--Dave

We just left PW in large part because we were going to have to turn away about 1/2 of our 8th graders based on how rosters work out in the local league.

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Re: High School Scrimmage
« Reply #38 on: August 16, 2018, 05:29:52 PM »
We just left PW in large part because we were going to have to turn away about 1/2 of our 8th graders based on how rosters work out in the local league.

And if we were participating in the local rec league instead of PW, none of this would be an issue.  Kids could play and we'd have a team.  As it is, we practically have neither.

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Re: High School Scrimmage
« Reply #39 on: August 16, 2018, 06:07:42 PM »
Whether it's a team I've had a "relationship" with, or not, I talk about football.  When a player is removed from the game because of a suspected concussion, but still enlisted to help with the offense because the players are confused about what's going on, that's inexcusable.  A player with a suspected concussion should not be involved with game play, at any level.  Evidently some coaches don't understand that.  Evidently, these coaches didn't understand that.  As for coaches who remark that they're "not all about winning," that's long been a red flag and a cop out, whether it's a team that I've been associated with, or not.

--Dave
We all care about the kids we coach(ed) and it is apparent you were involved with the program and still have a personal connection with the players. However, despite your personal feelings about the program's current coach, his philosophy and the unfortunate and perhaps egregious events that occurred during there recent scrimmage, let the current regime and stakeholders deal with the fallout. Don't get involved from the outside - Pray for and support the kids. Let the regime run the program to the ground and when it folds or is a perpetual loser then perhaps you'll get your due and be remembered as the last winning coach.     

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Re: High School Scrimmage
« Reply #40 on: August 16, 2018, 10:07:21 PM »
let the current regime and stakeholders deal with the fallout. Don't get involved from the outside

--How am I involved?  By sharing events or opinions on a forum?  By providing an ear to those who reach out to me?  Should I tell a parent, "Don't contact me anymore.  I'm no longer there?"  I have no contact with the current regime.  I'm not involved.

Pray for and support the kids. Let the regime run the program to the ground and when it folds or is a perpetual loser then perhaps you'll get your due and be remembered as the last winning coach.

--I do support them.  As for letting the regime run the program to the ground, I'm not sure how you think I have any control or influence over their success, or lack there of.  As for being remembered as "the last winning coach," who really cares?  That's not why I coach.

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