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Re: My 2018 Fall Season GM1, GM2, GM3,GM4, GM5
« Reply #105 on: October 04, 2018, 02:25:09 PM »
80 plays?  I was never getting 80 plays in a game in youth ball.  As a header, we averaged 24 offensive plays per game, but a large part of that was because of the Slaughter Rule/running clock.

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We don't have clocks. 20 plays per quarter, including special teams, but not including any accepted penalties. I believe our last opponent had 19 penalties (not a joke) and we had a couple, so there's an extra quarter right there. Regardless, most little dudes are done with it by the 3rd. 
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« Reply #106 on: October 04, 2018, 02:28:02 PM »
2 hours, 20 minutes?  I've never heard of that, even if both teams were passing every play.  Our games are 90 minutes and that includes halftime.

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Again, no clock, so run/pass has little to do with the actual length of games. We had a side judge who needed Tommy Johns surgery from throwing so many flags. What's crazy is that we were not huddling that game, so it should have gone pretty fast.
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Re: My 2018 Fall Season GM1, GM2, GM3,GM4, GM5
« Reply #107 on: October 04, 2018, 02:37:43 PM »
And first graders....we have a handful of those too.

Im not liking this play up Rule they have created. Time to kill it. 

Since Ernie has 17 Board Members Im going to ask him if AMFA would be interested in managing a Tiny Mites Division like Keenan set up in SJSA back in the day.

There are 11 teams in our Division from 9 Orgs....how many of those Orgs could field an 8 man 1st Grade team if they worked it?

Man, I can't believe I'm saying this, but a league-wide "Rookie Tackle" type situation might be the best way to go. Agree on a curriculum and make it more about teaching than anything. It can be just as much about developing coaches as players. Get all interested players and draft a few teams with vetted and experienced HCs providing oversight if not outright coaching. Goal is to develop a dad into a HC by the end of the season. Rotate fields and do a 1-hour practice followed by a controlled scrimmage. Every couple of weeks, hold a Jamboree where you play 2 or 3 shortened "games". No 10 and 10 scrimmages, but actually use down markers and play by those rules. Keep score if you want to, but no standings or playoffs unless you want to do a tournament at the end.

That's kind of how they do hockey for the 8Us. I hated it when Jake was that age, and so did Jake (at least in my mind), but he was one of those rare, intense and competitive 6 year olds.  Looking back, it was much better for him in the long run.

Coaching to win football games for 7 and 8 year olds is stupid. No one will convince me otherwise.
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Re: My 2018 Fall Season GM1, GM2, GM3,GM4, GM5
« Reply #108 on: October 04, 2018, 02:41:56 PM »
The only thing I like about night games is that the temp is usually cooler and my afternoon was free.

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In our neck of the woods, the temp drops at least 20 degrees when the sun goes down. Sometimes more. Our home field sits at 6000 feet and is within walking distance of the Rocky Mountains. The only thing keeping us warm is the former Rocky Flats Nuclear Weapons Plant.  ???
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Re: My 2018 Fall Season GM1, GM2, GM3,GM4, GM5
« Reply #109 on: October 04, 2018, 02:48:21 PM »
We don't have clocks.

So do you have penalties for delay of game?

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Re: My 2018 Fall Season GM1, GM2, GM3,GM4, GM5
« Reply #110 on: October 04, 2018, 02:49:53 PM »
Both on field coaches must stop talking as soon as the huddle breaks. When we go "no huddle", the OC huddles the backs, or in one game, just "huddled" the QB. That was just so he could still instruct. They also must be at least 10 yards from the LOS. Refs take it very seriously and throw a lot of illegal procedure flags because the coach kept talking or ran up at the last minute to move a kid.

Not meant to be a knock on our on-field coaches, but I don't think we are getting much benefit from having them on the field. Best seat in the house to see what's happening, but they are so overwhelmed with the cat herding that it's impossible to see the big picture. Even Mahonz retired from on-field coaching (Special Teams) because he's too busy placing kids and counting to 11 over and over.

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Re: My 2018 Fall Season GM1, GM2, GM3,GM4, GM5
« Reply #111 on: October 04, 2018, 02:51:55 PM »
So do you have penalties for delay of game?

--Dave

Yes. White hat keeps the play clock. We have actually taken a few delay of games, and we routinely get "counted down", despite going no huddle or a one to 4 man huddle.  What's especially frustrating is that for the most part, their mechanics suck, so they take their sweet time spotting the ball. Then, they start chopping us (counting down). One guy even shouted "5!" just as we were calling our cadence. It was super loud, so of course our players jumped. I don't talk to refs, but I gave him best "Really??!!!" look.
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Re: My 2018 Fall Season GM1, GM2, GM3,GM4, GM5
« Reply #112 on: October 04, 2018, 02:52:51 PM »
a league-wide "Rookie Tackle" type situation might be the best way to go. Agree on a curriculum and make it more about teaching than anything. It can be just as much about developing coaches as players.

--Hmm.  You might just be on to something there. 

Coaching to win football games for 7 and 8 year olds is stupid. No one will convince me otherwise.

--I dunno about that.  What if there were "coach-proof" rules where everyone had to run the same schemes, no unbalanced, no blitzing, no stunts, so that the focus had to be on who was doing the best job of teaching fundamentals?  I might pay to see that.  Heck, I might be interested in coaching it.

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Re: My 2018 Fall Season GM1, GM2, GM3,GM4, GM5
« Reply #113 on: October 04, 2018, 02:54:26 PM »
In our neck of the woods, the temp drops at least 20 degrees when the sun goes down.

So do we.  It goes from 90 to 70.

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Re: My 2018 Fall Season GM1, GM2, GM3,GM4, GM5
« Reply #114 on: October 04, 2018, 03:09:19 PM »
--I dunno about that.  What if there were "coach-proof" rules where everyone had to run the same schemes, no unbalanced, no blitzing, no stunts, so that the focus had to be on who was doing the best job of teaching fundamentals?  I might pay to see that.  Heck, I might be interested in coaching it.

It's hard to describe the feeling of watching 9 months of preparation get ground into a fine powder by a precocious kid who is one ounce under the patch weight, who has 3 older brothers who are rock stars, and whose dad is hell bent on getting said kid a D1 scholarship as evidenced by the years of back yard football drills.  Meanwhile, your guys are arguing about what kid of bird that is in that tree over there.

My biggest regret this season is not keeping a log of conversations I've had with my players. Dogs seem to come up a lot. How a kid on the other team looks just like his "line buddy" from class. The only pattern I have picked up is that the more intense the game situation, the more mundane and abstract the subject the conversation. As much as I'd like it to be so, football just doesn't mean as much to them as it does to me . . . yet.

Winning games? Matters a lot to me and the other coaches. Means a good deal to the parents. I don't think it means much at all to our players. Mahonz grandson asked us if we won after getting beat 32-0 Saturday. Another kid argued with me that we won the day after we got beat 30-0. 
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Re: My 2018 Fall Season GM1, GM2, GM3,GM4, GM5
« Reply #115 on: October 04, 2018, 03:17:28 PM »
My biggest regret this season is not keeping a log of conversations I've had with my players

Keep a notebook or notepad in your vehicle.  I make notes after practice so I can share the stories at the team banquet.

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Re: My 2018 Fall Season GM1, GM2, GM3,GM4, GM5
« Reply #116 on: October 04, 2018, 03:21:07 PM »
How 'bout if your coach doesn't instruct on the field?  When I coached 7-9s, they allowed 1 coach for each team on the field.  The only thing I did on the field was the same thing I do on the sideline; send in plays.  When I coach on game day, I'll coach them on the sideline (coach offense when defense is on the field, and vice versa).  But we never coached our players while we were on the field.

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So I am an assistant coach/part time play caller. I was led to believe I would eventually take over the play calling duties as our HC didn't want to spend the whole time on the field. So in prep of this I made wrist coaches for the boys so we could run no huddle(right now just the backs huddle) and get plays off faster because right now we use up almost the entire clock running plays. Well the wrist bands lasted one play as I was told the wrist coaches confused the kids and we don't need them because the coach is on the field. They are only 8 after all  ::). I hate having to line the kids up every play and I hate even more calling plays in the huddle. Every kid wants the ball and they all want to ask for the ball at the same exact time. I want to be able to have the kids rely on themselves to line up because I think relying on the coach hinders them greatly and I think being on the field hinders the coach just as much.

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Re: My 2018 Fall Season GM1, GM2, GM3,GM4, GM5
« Reply #117 on: October 04, 2018, 03:41:30 PM »
I don't believe Mahonz has the budget to get me to coach on the field. I watched film the other day and we caught the on field Defensive Coordinator on a few of the clips. I have to take that guy out for a beer. He looked like Charlie Brown doing his "sad walk".
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Re: My 2018 Fall Season GM1, GM2, GM3,GM4, GM5
« Reply #118 on: October 04, 2018, 03:48:57 PM »
I don't believe Mahonz has the budget to get me to coach on the field. I watched film the other day and we caught the on field Defensive Coordinator on a few of the clips. I have to take that guy out for a beer. He looked like Charlie Brown doing his "sad walk".
The worst is when the opposing player run by you with the ball and you have to lift your hands up in the air to show you are not trying to stop him. You just feel so helpless.

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Re: My 2018 Fall Season GM1, GM2, GM3,GM4, GM5
« Reply #119 on: October 04, 2018, 05:03:43 PM »
It's hard to describe the feeling of watching 9 months of preparation get ground into a fine powder by a precocious kid who is one ounce under the patch weight, who has 3 older brothers who are rock stars, and whose dad is hell bent on getting said kid a D1 scholarship as evidenced by the years of back yard football drills.  Meanwhile, your guys are arguing about what kid of bird that is in that tree over there.

My biggest regret this season is not keeping a log of conversations I've had with my players. Dogs seem to come up a lot. How a kid on the other team looks just like his "line buddy" from class. The only pattern I have picked up is that the more intense the game situation, the more mundane and abstract the subject the conversation. As much as I'd like it to be so, football just doesn't mean as much to them as it does to me . . . yet.

Winning games? Matters a lot to me and the other coaches. Means a good deal to the parents. I don't think it means much at all to our players. Mahonz grandson asked us if we won after getting beat 32-0 Saturday. Another kid argued with me that we won the day after we got beat 30-0.

And their come from behind in the 4th Q one point win which was exciting as can be.....probably had no real effect on any of them.
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