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Re: My Fall 2018 Spring Season - Final Edition G1, G2, G3, G4, G5, G6
« Reply #120 on: May 10, 2018, 10:01:21 AM »
Its spring football- ok to have a different level of expectations on field- competition etc
However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results.

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Re: My Fall 2018 Spring Season - Final Edition G1, G2, G3, G4, G5, G6
« Reply #121 on: May 10, 2018, 10:12:13 AM »
Its spring football- ok to have a different level of expectations on field- competition etc

True. I have noticed there has been a ton of talent on the field this season. Very noticeable really. But the coaching seems like Im coaching in the second grade division where its all about the O and the D is ignored.

One big surprise. We follow your philosophy with KO's and on side every time.  Works wonders with the little dudes but gets a bit tougher to steal a possession away as the kids get older. This season we have recovered 10 on side kicks. Its like some of these teams never practice ST's.
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Re: My Fall 2018 Spring Season - Final Edition G1, G2, G3, G4, G5, G6
« Reply #122 on: May 10, 2018, 10:28:54 AM »
We stop onsiding once we are up by 2-3 scores
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Re: My Fall 2018 Spring Season - Final Edition G1, G2, G3, G4, G5, G6
« Reply #123 on: May 10, 2018, 10:49:41 AM »
We stop onsiding once we are up by 2-3 scores

Same....except the last few games. Stuck in a silly tiebreaker system.
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Re: My Fall 2018 Spring Season - Final Edition G1, G2, G3, G4, G5, G6
« Reply #124 on: May 10, 2018, 11:48:30 AM »
Stuck in a silly tiebreaker system.

That probably encourages you to pour it on, and then when you do so, others get butt-hurt about it.

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Re: My Fall 2018 Spring Season - Final Edition G1, G2, G3, G4, G5, G6
« Reply #125 on: May 10, 2018, 11:50:27 AM »
That probably encourages you to pour it on, and then when you do so, others get butt-hurt about it.

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It certainly encourages us to keep our D off the field.
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Re: My Fall 2018 Spring Season - Final Edition G1, G2, G3, G4, G5, G6
« Reply #126 on: May 10, 2018, 06:01:28 PM »
Same....except the last few games. Stuck in a silly tiebreaker system.

I thought you said the season was over with the loss
So you are playing for second place?
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Re: My Fall 2018 Spring Season - Final Edition G1, G2, G3, G4, G5, G6
« Reply #127 on: May 10, 2018, 06:45:02 PM »
That probably encourages you to pour it on, and then when you do so, others get butt-hurt about it.

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Points for do not help or hurt us. We poured it on Saturday because of the dirty play. Last night, we didn’t push. We just did “us”. Saturday’s opponent really struggles to provide a chain crew for their home games. One of our dads volunteered, bad back and all, so we had a “spy” on their sideline. He said they spent the first half making fun of us for onside kicking every time and the second half pissed for the same reason. As far as the first half, if you’re able to pick up a pattern in your opponent’s kick off, you’re probably in no position to make fun of anyone.
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Re: My Fall 2018 Spring Season - Final Edition G1, G2, G3, G4, G5, G6
« Reply #128 on: May 10, 2018, 09:46:26 PM »
I thought you said the season was over with the loss
So you are playing for second place?

I was just bitchin' to Lar that day. 

We still have a shot at the Championship Bowl Game but we dont control our own destiny.

Now Im bitchin' about what amounts too running up the score on other teams for tiebreaker purposes.

The League said they were going to a true BCS playoff game style this year  before the start of the season with the top 4 teams in a playoff and the winners play for all the marbles to avoid these 2 and 3 way tiebreakers.

And then with no communication....no playoff and all Bowl Games moved up 10 days.  I have no clue why they decided against it. I have no clue why they do anything anymore.

Get this....our 8th grade team played a game last Saturday, yesterday, play again on Saturday and the following Wednesday. Then we play a Bowl Game a week later.

Its flippin' dangerous but the Brothers that run this chit show are......chit.
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Re: My Fall 2018 Spring Season - Final Edition G1, G2, G3, G4, G5, G6
« Reply #129 on: May 11, 2018, 08:36:52 AM »
Points for do not help or hurt us. We poured it on Saturday because of the dirty play. Last night, we didn’t push. We just did “us”. Saturday’s opponent really struggles to provide a chain crew for their home games. One of our dads volunteered, bad back and all, so we had a “spy” on their sideline. He said they spent the first half making fun of us for onside kicking every time and the second half pissed for the same reason. As far as the first half, if you’re able to pick up a pattern in your opponent’s kick off, you’re probably in no position to make fun of anyone.

Ok so there is no "rule" incentive to score a bunch of extra points like Mike said there was- one of you must be wrong about this
You- Points for do not help or hurt us

Not sure I "get" the need to win by 50+

IMO Onside kicking every time is NOT cool at all in youth football when you are up by more than 2-3 scores against a team you are obviously better than
Some guys are OK with it- first to 100 wins- Im not and Ive coached a lot of seasons where we won 70-80% of our wins by mercy rule in the first half.
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Re: My Fall 2018 Spring Season - Final Edition G1, G2, G3, G4, G5, G6
« Reply #130 on: May 11, 2018, 08:42:17 AM »
Pay attention Dave, Mike DID address that...   :P

In all seriousness, he did.  The tie break uses points against, so while that doesn't require scoring points per se, it does encourage you to keep your D off field.  Which means on-sides kicks.  And if you're O is out there all day, you're going to score points.  Especially the way they play with all that space - somebody is going to break one at some point in a series.  I'm guessing 3 yards and a cloud of dust isn't really in the cards with mega-splits.

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Re: My Fall 2018 Spring Season - Final Edition G1, G2, G3, G4, G5, G6
« Reply #131 on: May 11, 2018, 09:27:44 AM »
Pay attention Dave, Mike DID address that...   :P

In all seriousness, he did.  The tie break uses points against, so while that doesn't require scoring points per se, it does encourage you to keep your D off field.  Which means on-sides kicks.  And if you're O is out there all day, you're going to score points.  Especially the way they play with all that space - somebody is going to break one at some point in a series.  I'm guessing 3 yards and a cloud of dust isn't really in the cards with mega-splits.

John

I would disagree with that

When you onside- you either get the ball back or you give the other team great field position
Mike said the onside kicks work great of the little kids- not so much for 8th grade- not very well at all- his words
So he is giving the other team the ball at midfield- which makes it easier for them to score
On the rare occasion he gets the ball back- which is what he is trying to do- then he scores

He has an admittedly stacked team with 33 so he has no problems fielding deep kicks in space


Many many years ago we had that silly points against thing
HUGE league- not everyone in the division even played each other
2 best teams us and another didnt play each other
To make it into the final 4 of 40 teams- 10 teams per division it was record, then points against

We got into the next to last game or so- still tied
I talked to the other teams coaches before the game to tell them I HATED the rule, but I wouldnt be able to let them score
Sure enough we were up by about 40- they got down to our 10 yard line with our backups in on D- I had to do the unthinkable- called time and put the starters back in
Made a huge stink about it prior AND after to the league commish- talked to our players and parents etc- TERRIBLE rule
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Re: My Fall 2018 Spring Season - Final Edition G1, G2, G3, G4, G5, G6
« Reply #132 on: May 11, 2018, 10:27:57 AM »
John


Mike said the onside kicks work great of the little kids- not so much for 8th grade- not very well at all- his words


Here let me correct that Quote for you.

One big surprise. We follow your philosophy with KO's and on side every time.  Works wonders with the little dudes but gets a bit tougher to steal a possession away as the kids get older. This season we have recovered 10 on side kicks. Its like some of these teams never practice ST's.

So the OBVIOUS choice for the Staff at this point was to continue to try and steal possessions away and its working. The League really needed to stick to a playoff system. This happens in our Division every year. One team runs the table and 3 teams have one loss.

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Re: My Fall 2018 Spring Season - Final Edition G1, G2, G3, G4, G5, G6
« Reply #133 on: May 11, 2018, 10:34:44 AM »
Pay attention Dave, Mike DID address that...   :P

In all seriousness, he did.  The tie break uses points against, so while that doesn't require scoring points per se, it does encourage you to keep your D off field.  Which means on-sides kicks.  And if you're O is out there all day, you're going to score points.  Especially the way they play with all that space - somebody is going to break one at some point in a series.  I'm guessing 3 yards and a cloud of dust isn't really in the cards with mega-splits.

We considered the burn clock approach. Decided that would mean asking RB'rs to run out of bounds. Thought about disrespecting the game and punting on early downs....kicking FG's....giving up a possession at the beginning of the half by electing to kick twice....

A lot of thought went into how to best shut out an opponent for 4 games. There really is no one best solution. They all suck. This League needs a format change.

Last time this happened to us we lost the tiebreaker. Might happen again this year.

Oh well....gotta handle your business and run the table. We made this bed....
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Re: My Fall 2018 Spring Season - Final Edition G1, G2, G3, G4, G5, G6
« Reply #134 on: May 11, 2018, 10:53:03 AM »
Ok so there is no "rule" incentive to score a bunch of extra points like Mike said there was- one of you must be wrong about this
You- Points for do not help or hurt us

Not sure I "get" the need to win by 50+

IMO Onside kicking every time is NOT cool at all in youth football when you are up by more than 2-3 scores against a team you are obviously better than
Some guys are OK with it- first to 100 wins- Im not and Ive coached a lot of seasons where we won 70-80% of our wins by mercy rule in the first half.

There is never a need to win by even 20 points.

On side kicking up by 30 is VERY uncool. So is never allowing OLM to run the ball and all the stuff you are used to doing when up big.

That is all out the window right now.  Just have to grit your teeth and keep telling yourself why. Its not a feel good kinda thing for sure....except that filth dirty team we plays a few games ago. That team has issues. They played to take opposing players out. That is coached and I will never understand it.
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