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Re: My Fall 2018 Spring Season - Final Edition G1, G2, G3, G4, G5, G6
« Reply #135 on: May 11, 2018, 11:51:44 AM »
Ok so there is no "rule" incentive to score a bunch of extra points like Mike said there was- one of you must be wrong about this
You- Points for do not help or hurt us
True . . . but . . . getting up by 35 puts us in the mercy rule where the clock runs helps us keep their score down. It sucks, but I didn't make the rule. It was my idea to get into the mercy as fast as possible so that we end up playing a 20 minute second half. Then, we can go max slow down.

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Not sure I "get" the need to win by 50+
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We don't need to or even want to. I'm sure you've had games where 16 Power was a TD every time. We've had a lot of those games in the Spring. Last season, we went into half time 40-0. 3 TDs on Beast Blast and 2 pick 6's. Then, the mercy rule meant you couldn't run outside the tackles or throw. We had already scored 3 long TDs running between the tackles.

IMO Onside kicking every time is NOT cool at all in youth football when you are up by more than 2-3 scores against a team you are obviously better than
Some guys are OK with it- first to 100 wins- Im not and Ive coached a lot of seasons where we won 70-80% of our wins by mercy rule in the first half.
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I agree that it's not cool at all. I'm OK with not being "cool". 

Look Dave. In all seriousness. We want to be in the top bowl game. It's important to us. We screwed up and lost our ability to control that outcome. What we CAN do is be ready if the opportunity to get back in it presents itself. Us being "cool" for these teams so they can get a few "feel good" scores isn't going to happen. This team abandoned their bread and butter play (student body right/left) on the first play of their first drive. They started chucking "Hail Mary's" on every play. 3 out of 4 of them resulted in a big time sack or a scramble followed by a big hit on their QB. They caught one and scored after our S and CB collided going for the ball. Should we have approached that staff and asked them to kindly not score on us because we're trying to make a bowl game?

Also, any sympathy I may have had for their players went out the door when they started spearing, blind siding and punching. Also, celebrating those dirty hits as if they'd scored.

Just line up and play.
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Re: My Fall 2018 Spring Season - Final Edition G1, G2, G3, G4, G5, G6
« Reply #136 on: May 11, 2018, 12:01:46 PM »
Mike said the onside kicks work great of the little kids- not so much for 8th grade- not very well at all- his words
His words were also that they are working VERY well this season. 10 recovered in 6 games.

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He has an admittedly stacked team with 33 so he has no problems fielding deep kicks in space
Never said that. EVERYONE has problems fielding deep kicks in space. Last Fall, we kicked deep more than we ever had before. I'd say kicking deep on average yielded 15 yards more than an onside kick. A lot of our onside kicks go 20-25 yards before anyone touches them.

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Many many years ago we had that silly points against thing
HUGE league- not everyone in the division even played each other
2 best teams us and another didnt play each other
To make it into the final 4 of 40 teams- 10 teams per division it was record, then points against

We got into the next to last game or so- still tied
I talked to the other teams coaches before the game to tell them I HATED the rule, but I wouldnt be able to let them score
Sure enough we were up by about 40- they got down to our 10 yard line with our backups in on D- I had to do the unthinkable- called time and put the starters back in
Made a huge stink about it prior AND after to the league commish- talked to our players and parents etc- TERRIBLE rule

And I respect you for that. I respect your "special play" where everyone falls down. I don't agree with it and would never do it myself, but I respect where you're coming from.  I get that a lot of what we do are "Dick Moves". To that, I fall back on one of our mantras: "There's nothing nice about Football". Everybody runs their team the way they think is best. Over the years, we will be up and we will be down. Some years, we are out-gunned, but we do "us". Over time, word gets out about our team. In Fall, we can't take on players from other teams. In Spring, it's up to us. This Spring, it came to a head and everyone on the West side of town wants to play for us, so take advantage and enjoy it.
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Re: My Fall 2018 Spring Season - Final Edition G1, G2, G3, G4, G5, G6
« Reply #137 on: May 11, 2018, 12:23:21 PM »
I forgot about the mercy rule, that was mentioned before as well.  That is absolutely motivation to put points on the board fast to minimize points against via a shorter game.

Frankly you guys are in a position similar to what Potter frequently found himself in coaching youth.  The way you play doesn't suffer fools lightly, and in youth football, there are a LOT of fools in charge.

Hell, Potter is running into that in HS as well, just in a different way...

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Re: My Fall 2018 Spring Season - Final Edition G1, G2, G3, G4, G5, G6
« Reply #138 on: May 11, 2018, 01:01:48 PM »
I forgot about the mercy rule, that was mentioned before as well.  That is absolutely motivation to put points on the board fast to minimize points against via a shorter game.

Frankly you guys are in a position similar to what Potter frequently found himself in coaching youth.  The way you play doesn't suffer fools lightly, and in youth football, there are a LOT of fools in charge.

Hell, Potter is running into that in HS as well, just in a different way...

The Mercy Rule was the determining factor. Get to it asap and run that clock...if possible.

Easier said than done.
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Re: My Fall 2018 Spring Season - Final Edition G1, G2, G3, G4, G5, G6
« Reply #139 on: May 11, 2018, 03:34:13 PM »
His words were also that they are working VERY well this season. 10 recovered in 6 games.
Never said that. EVERYONE has problems fielding deep kicks in space. Last Fall, we kicked deep more than we ever had before. I'd say kicking deep on average yielded 15 yards more than an onside kick. A lot of our onside kicks go 20-25 yards before anyone touches them.

And I respect you for that. I respect your "special play" where everyone falls down. I don't agree with it and would never do it myself, but I respect where you're coming from.  I get that a lot of what we do are "Dick Moves". To that, I fall back on one of our mantras: "There's nothing nice about Football". Everybody runs their team the way they think is best. Over the years, we will be up and we will be down. Some years, we are out-gunned, but we do "us". Over time, word gets out about our team. In Fall, we can't take on players from other teams. In Spring, it's up to us. This Spring, it came to a head and everyone on the West side of town wants to play for us, so take advantage and enjoy it.
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We donít all fall down
The other team has no clue we are letting them score
Their kids fans and usually coaches are cheering wildl
We may have a kid dive at the runners feet to make it look good but st no time does the defense all fall dow
We donít care about the final score in a blowout
We are there for both teams
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Re: My Fall 2018 Spring Season - Final Edition G1, G2, G3, G4, G5, G6
« Reply #140 on: May 11, 2018, 05:13:00 PM »
We had 14 penalties last game. 12 were against the Offense. 

I just finished my self scout film review.

Our players absolutely shit whipped theirs so this top shelf crew must have decided that it was impossible for this to happen when you have 10 blocking one on one in space. Heck these kids have been doing nothing but for years so by now they should be pretty good at it.

So they started generating phantom calls. MIKE's feet are higher than his own helmet...has to be a block in the back....FLAG. DE is run off the field....has to be a WWF technique.....FLAG. NG is tea kettled....has to be a chop.....FLAG. FS gets decleated....has to be leading with the helmet....FLAG. CB's getting rolled up downfield....has to be un-necessary something....FLAG.

Moving on. Nothing to see here except a bunch of pity calls vs a pitifully coached team. 

BTW the opponent was flagged 3 times.
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Re: My Fall 2018 Spring Season - Final Edition G1, G2, G3, G4, G5, G6
« Reply #141 on: May 11, 2018, 07:23:50 PM »
On side kicking up by 30 is VERY uncool.

Giving your opponent ball-possession at midfield is uncool, when?

My point is, regardless of whether we onside it, or kick it deep, we are still trying to get the ball back.

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Re: My Fall 2018 Spring Season - Final Edition G1, G2, G3, G4, G5, G6
« Reply #142 on: May 11, 2018, 09:53:41 PM »
Giving your opponent ball-possession at midfield is uncool, when?

My point is, regardless of whether we onside it, or kick it deep, we are still trying to get the ball back.

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Re: My Fall 2018 Spring Season - Final Edition G1, G2, G3, G4, G5, G6
« Reply #143 on: May 11, 2018, 10:16:11 PM »
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Re: My Fall 2018 Spring Season - Final Edition G1, G2, G3, G4, G5, G6
« Reply #144 on: May 11, 2018, 11:10:13 PM »
Mediocrity gets very angry when someone else refuses to be mediocre.

Truer words were never spoken, my brother.

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Re: My Fall 2018 Spring Season - Final Edition G1, G2, G3, G4, G5, G6
« Reply #145 on: May 12, 2018, 02:20:38 AM »
On the up side, I am unbelievably relieved to hear Mahonz' and another coach's take on the holding penalties.  I haven't watched film yet. My daughter graduates from college tomorrow and she and my wife surprised me Thursday night that we're having a bbq. So I spent all day getting ready. It's 12:17am and I've been going since 6am. 

Wednesday's game really put me in an identity crisis. Without patting myself on the back too hard, I thought the o-line over the last few seasons has been pretty darned good. The last two days, I was afraid the only reason we were good is because I've been cheating my ass off.
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Re: My Fall 2018 Spring Season - Final Edition G1, G2, G3, G4, G5, G6
« Reply #146 on: May 12, 2018, 07:36:32 AM »
On the up side, I am unbelievably relieved to hear Mahonz' and another coach's take on the holding penalties.  I haven't watched film yet. My daughter graduates from college tomorrow and she and my wife surprised me Thursday night that we're having a bbq. So I spent all day getting ready. It's 12:17am and I've been going since 6am. 

Wednesday's game really put me in an identity crisis. Without patting myself on the back too hard, I thought the o-line over the last few seasons has been pretty darned good. The last two days, I was afraid the only reason we were good is because I've been cheating my ass off.

Nope. You are Golden. Again....congrats to Steph !
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Re: My Fall 2018 Spring Season - Final Edition G1, G2, G3, G4, G5, G6
« Reply #147 on: May 12, 2018, 04:19:20 PM »
Here let me correct that Quote for you.

One big surprise. We follow your philosophy with KO's and on side every time.  Works wonders with the little dudes but gets a bit tougher to steal a possession away as the kids get older. This season we have recovered 10 on side kicks. Its like some of these teams never practice ST's.

So the OBVIOUS choice for the Staff at this point was to continue to try and steal possessions away and its working. The League really needed to stick to a playoff system. This happens in our Division every year. One team runs the table and 3 teams have one loss.

If the undefeated team gave everyone one loss
And your team is whalloping all the other teams
WOuldnt they all have 2 losses except for you?

When I say it is "uncool" to onside kick every single time even when you are up by 50 what I meant was it appears very unsportsmanlike to try and mazimize your scoring when up by 50 points

I realize there are a number of people here that are ok with trying to score 100 or dont take extreme measures to try and keep from embarrassing other teams and their kids
That certainly is their perogative
For me- its youth football, we want to win and I will always put my players first, however I also am here for the game- that means the other team
I dont think winning by 50+ helps the other team or the game in any way at all

There were a number of seasons like you are having where we were mercy ruling almost everyone in the first quarter- we never won by 50+
No need to try proving something to anyone JMO

The question isnt can you- beat someone by 50
It should be- should you
If you are trying to teach someone a lesson- Im very doubtful it will have much of an effect
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Re: My Fall 2018 Spring Season - Final Edition G1, G2, G3, G4, G5, G6, G7
« Reply #148 on: May 12, 2018, 04:57:10 PM »
GAME SEVEN

OK...I remember now !

Wussies are everywhere.

Played yet another one loss team and proceeded to rip their faces off to the point it got real testy. Two of our Coaches got tosses at the half. We have been on GREAT terms with this White Hat since the 4th grade. Afterwards he admitted he lost his cool and these coaches are not out next week as well.

Still cost us 300 bucks.

The issue was late in the second Quarter our D drew 4 PF's in 6 plays. This obliviously moved the chains big time. Last play of the half we intercept and one of our Defenders decleats one of theirs...AT THE POA....FLAG. So enough was enough for our sideline even though all of us know better than to get gibbery with the Crew.

So what is it that I remember?

'Bout 8 years ago Coach Potter posted up a Video of his Durham Eagles Youth Team.  It was actually a Marketing Vid for his Org. I was sitting at my computer working away when I saw it and called my Son over to watch it.  Dont ask Dave to post it ....he wont...too many Wussies that Lurk just dont get it.

Anyway we did....about 10 times ....his response.

We need to be like Dave.

Ever since that very moment that is how we roll. But now we have run into 3 Wussy Teams in a row and they cant handle Potter Ball. Neither can this League. We have created a Monster that has been years in the making. These opponents have wonderful talent but are soft mentally. Team we played today....total Wussies. Coaches jawing at us for having no class etc etc etc. while their kids resort to street ball rules....no flags.

Dont care. Addressed the team afterwards and told them that lots of people out there in Life expect you to come down to thier level or will try to hack you down to their level when you are doing something great as an individual or as a team.

Never stoop to their level.

We win 47-6 but the really big news was our team executed at 44 yard field goal that was dead nuts perfect. Might have been good from 54. We will try a longer one on Wednesday when we play the biggest Wussy team in the League and one of our hated Fall rivals. This game never goes off without some kinda drama.

Maybe what really pissed off this Wussy Staff....we ran Flapjack Pass on the last play of the game. Would have scored except both of our wide open receivers ran into each other right as they both caught the football. So they defended each other.  Oh well....fun stuff.

We win the turnover battle 6-2 and the Mojo Score 5-1.

6-1  >:(   <<<<<my mean grrr Im gonna rip your face off....face.  :P

Happy Mother Days to all of your Better Halves and Moms ! :)
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Re: My Fall 2018 Spring Season - Final Edition G1, G2, G3, G4, G5, G6
« Reply #149 on: May 12, 2018, 05:23:01 PM »
If the undefeated team gave everyone one loss
And your team is whalloping all the other teams
WOuldnt they all have 2 losses except for you?


Here you go. We are the 8th grade Pitbulls:
http://www.milehifootball.com/stats#/357/schedule?division_id=4474

The rules are under the "Info" section. It describes the seeding, tie breakers, etc. We didn't play the undefeated team. There are currently 3 teams with one loss. Us and the two teams who play each other in 2 hours. Barring something really unusual, there will be two teams with one loss at the end of the season, us an the winner of today's 5pm game. If that winner is the team that beat us, we are seeded behind them. If that winner is the other team (who we haven't played), then it comes down to points against. We currently have 38 to their 48. Our 38 will be adjusted because we are the only team that will play 8 regular season games, so we will finish with 7/8 of our actual total. Right now, that's looking like 33. 15 points against is not a big enough margin for us to just let up on teams. We are coaching the game to minimize points against. Unfortunately, the rules are rigged so that scoring a lot helps us keep the other team's score down. The league would prefer that we "play nice".


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When I say it is "uncool" to onside kick every single time even when you are up by 50 what I meant was it appears very unsportsmanlike to try and mazimize your scoring when up by 50 points


Agree. Don't care. Too busy coaching my guys.

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I realize there are a number of people here that are ok with trying to score 100 or dont take extreme measures to try and keep from embarrassing other teams and their kids

The only extreme measures I take are to play within the rules and to make sure my guys are ready on game day. I have neither the time nor inclination to worry about much else.

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For me- its youth football, we want to win and I will always put my players first, however I also am here for the game- that means the other team


And while I don't take that approach, I respect you for taking it.


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I dont think winning by 50+ helps the other team or the game in any way at all

Agree, but I don't think coaches like me are a problem.

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There were a number of seasons like you are having where we were mercy ruling almost everyone in the first quarter- we never won by 50+
No need to try proving something to anyone JMO
The question isnt can you- beat someone by 50
It should be- should you

And yet another question is whether we should hold our kids back to accommodate another team's feelings. My answer is and will always be "no".

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If you are trying to teach someone a lesson- Im very doubtful it will have much of an effect


You're probably right, but some guys refuse to learn the simplest of lessons if it doesn't fit their narrative.

Take today's opponent. 2nd coaching staff in a week to start by ridiculing us for kicking onside, then get pissed when it works.  If you're coaching 8th grade ball and don't work on ALL aspects of special teams, I got nothing for you, but more onside kicks. I missed the first half today for my daughter's commencement. I showed up just in time for the 3rd quarter kick off. We were up 24-6 and kicking to them.  While we were up "3 scores", I was not at all comfortable with that lead. They attempted to air it out 4 plays in a row. I was told they scored on a long pass. In scout, they proved to be a very competent passing team. So when they went 4 and out, was that the "turning point" where we turn the game and all of our hours of preparation into a farce? We scored in 3 plays from about the 30, kicked the PAT for 2, recovered an onside kick, scored in 2 plays, converted another kick for 2, recovered another onside kick and suddenly we're up 40-6. Then we ran the ball 3 times to our X receivers (our version of MPPs) for a total loss of 10 yards, then kicked a 44 yard field goal on 4th down. For us, it was an amazing moment. It was the first time a team that I coach kicked a field goal in a game. Same for Mahonz and he's been kicking since before forward passes were legal. 8th grader kicking 44 yards and making it by at least 10. Kid will be NCAA D1 if he wants it.

Yet . . . we were called classless and called out in the handshake line. We scored at the end of the game by running up the A gap. The kids were clamoring for us to run the flapjack pass, which we have been working on for 2 weeks, so we ran it and dropped it in the back of the end zone.  Opposing coaches took great exception to that. Whatever. This team blew out another team 49-11 a few weeks ago. Can't make them happy, so why try?
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