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Re: My Fall 2018 Spring Season - Final Edition G1, G2, G3, G4, G5, G6, G7
« Reply #180 on: May 13, 2018, 06:15:32 PM »
Maybe this is why you are scratching your head over this.

A full 2 platoon team has no "backups" in the traditional sense.

We use rotator's with a very defined system so that every position gets pretty much the same amount of playing time. So when up big....or even down big....we simply cant play our "backups" because they have already been playing.

You mentioned playing your 3rd or 4th string at a position...we dont even use a 2nd string.

So...we use 2 DB's so 3 kids will play those 2 positions for the entire game almost equally. 3 kids will play the two DE positions and rotate equally....5 kids will play the 4 backfield positions on Offense and rotate equally....and so on.

If we start playing kids out of position....who gets the shaft?

This is what gumby said:
Our backups score at will on these teams

So Im assuming you have backup RBs according to him

If you are up really big and you have 5 kids playing 4 positions- they are getting plenty of reps
So you rotate some of the weaker DBs or WR to RB- how hard can it be to teach them 1 play? and at that point what does it matter if you dont score

If the studs need a few snaps, then let them play on special teams or a few more snaps on defense
However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results.

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Re: My Fall 2018 Spring Season - Final Edition G1, G2, G3, G4, G5, G6, G7
« Reply #181 on: May 13, 2018, 06:20:31 PM »
Not at all

I didnt think of my business as cut throat
We LOOKED at the competition and positioned ourselves in a niche we thought would work and that we could execute on

We then put in a proccess that was unique and we worked extremely hard
When you focus on serving your customers while approaching your employees as customers as well and work really hard, over time very good things usually happen
We didnt worry so much about competitors- we did things a bit different
We focused on us and our customers- employees
And we had fun- cared about each other

We never cut corners in business
We dont do it in football either

In football Im playing to win
But winning to us includes a significant metric of retention- which winning the game helps a bunch

In youth ball you can win, play by the rules, have fun and retain kids- it isnt mutually exclusive at all if you know how to do it

Makes sense.

There is no loyalty in Construction. Once an employee is trained....off they go to do it themselves. Then I had to eventually cut them off at the knees. Most of my design build career was with speculation. Rough stuff no kid gloves eat their young take no prisoners.

For me....Realtors are the scum of the Earth. Nothing personal against all the Realtors out there on this Forum but I have thrown enough of you out of Closings that my mind is set.  >:(

Construction...kinda like the game of football now that I think about it.  :)
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Re: My Fall 2018 Spring Season - Final Edition G1, G2, G3, G4, G5, G6, G7
« Reply #182 on: May 13, 2018, 06:23:01 PM »


CNN is notorious for parsing quotes to make their point

You quoted me on this:
IMO if we really care about the game and want to see it survive
We have to think about our kids first
- then went on about how that should be the only focus
And left out the part where I said I  feel it is ALL of ours obligation to help the other teams kids have a reasonable football experience- to help advance the game and keep it viable NOT to just selfishly only think about our own teams

It is patently FALSE that one has to invest a bunch of time and effort to help the other team
You could take 10 minutes to figure out a rotation on who is going to carry the ball when up big
Then at halftime in blowouts you take 5 minutes of that halftime to line the kids up- and run a single off tackle play
Ive done it that way now for about 10 years- so I dont have to waste any practice time on it

Im a busy guy, but I can take 10 minutes to try and help the other teams kids have a better game experience
« Last Edit: May 13, 2018, 06:45:28 PM by davecisar »
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Re: My Fall 2018 Spring Season - Final Edition G1, G2, G3, G4, G5, G6, G7
« Reply #183 on: May 13, 2018, 06:26:26 PM »
Makes sense.

There is no loyalty in Construction. Once an employee is trained....off they go to do it themselves. Then I had to eventually cut them off at the knees. Most of my design build career was with speculation. Rough stuff no kid gloves eat their young take no prisoners.

For me....Realtors are the scum of the Earth. Nothing personal against all the Realtors out there on this Forum but I have thrown enough of you out of Closings that my mind is set.  >:(

Construction...kinda like the game of football now that I think about it.  :)
I get it

We also had a few guys go off on their own

We made it tough to leave
By paying and treating them really well and making them feel part of a team
We also put together an offering that ended up being a bit of a barrier to entry- from a cost standpoint- if they were tying to match up offering wise

Heck- you can do the same thing in football
I applied LOTS of business principles to how we do football
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Re: My Fall 2018 Spring Season - Final Edition G1, G2, G3, G4, G5, G6, G7
« Reply #184 on: May 13, 2018, 06:29:01 PM »
This is what gumby said:
Our backups score at will on these teams

So Im assuming you have backup RBs according to him

If you are up really big and you have 5 kids playing 4 positions- they are getting plenty of reps
So you rotate some of the weaker DBs or WR to RB- how hard can it be to teach them 1 play? and at that point what does it matter if you dont score

If the studs need a few snaps, then let them play on special teams or a few more snaps on defense

Problem is...if we are up really big the Offense gets way behind on their snaps. If we are down really big then the Defense gets behind on snaps but not like the O. The D carries less players.

So in a perfect 2 platoon World all games 21-14 battles.

I think Lar was referring too our X Receiver position. Thats our....we really cant find a home for you position and they are indeed backup RB's. We have 3 kids at this one position so they are also on KO and KOR. All of them except one has scored at least once. The one that has not scored has recovered and amazing amount of our on side kicks.
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Re: My Fall 2018 Spring Season - Final Edition G1, G2, G3, G4, G5, G6, G7
« Reply #185 on: May 13, 2018, 06:30:10 PM »
Poor word choice. Forgive me. Our backups score at will on these teams. Itís our WRs who struggle. Iíve thought about it many times, but always come to the same conclusion.

No worries
SO now you rotate the non RBS and WRS at the ball carrier spot and your 5 starters rotate at the 3 other backfield spots-
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Re: My Fall 2018 Spring Season - Final Edition G1, G2, G3, G4, G5, G6, G7
« Reply #186 on: May 13, 2018, 06:32:49 PM »
Problem is...if we are up really big the Offense gets way behind on their snaps. If we are down really big then the Defense gets behind on snaps but not like the O. The D carries less players.

So in a perfect 2 platoon World all games 21-14 battles.

I think Lar was referring too our X Receiver position. Thats our....we really cant find a home for you position and they are indeed backup RB's. We have 3 kids at this one position so they are also on KO and KOR. All of them except one has scored at least once. The one that has not scored has recovered and amazing amount of our on side kicks.

If your up really big and you rotate your weaker kids at the ball carrier spots- you arent going to score in 2-3 plays. You are getting 4 snaps at least and if your team is as good as you say, they should be able to get some first downs with the big aggressive line you have. 
However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results.

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Re: My Fall 2018 Spring Season - Final Edition G1, G2, G3, G4, G5, G6, G7
« Reply #187 on: May 13, 2018, 06:38:49 PM »
What I trying to communicate is this

If anyone really wants to keep the score from 50 point margin wins-
It is not an unsolveable physics question that only Einstein can figure out
ANYONE can do it if they want to- without getting any of their kids hurt or disrespecting the other team or the game
I hear the same excuses every time- all are very easy to solve for

Im not of the opinion that youth football should be a Lord of the Flies thing where our goal is to win 100-0 or even 50-0
Ive always felt it was a learning environment for beyond the game
And compassion should be part of the lessons we teach 9 year old kids

Anyone can position their program to be something else= their choice, their branding and mission etc
Hitmen- Terminators- Pitbulls  etc
For me- my personal opinion- that isnt what youth football should be about- we are something much different than that- and we still play very physical and win
Ive been singing that mantra for over 20 years
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Re: My Fall 2018 Spring Season - Final Edition G1, G2, G3, G4, G5, G6, G7
« Reply #188 on: May 13, 2018, 07:10:41 PM »
If your up really big and you rotate your weaker kids at the ball carrier spots- you arent going to score in 2-3 plays. You are getting 4 snaps at least and if your team is as good as you say, they should be able to get some first downs with the big aggressive line you have.

True. Sometimes we do that to try and stay out of Mercy. As you know....after the second series you have a pretty good idea how things might go.

At the end of the day....its a good problem to have I suppose.
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Re: My Fall 2018 Spring Season - Final Edition G1, G2, G3, G4, G5, G6, G7
« Reply #189 on: May 13, 2018, 08:42:26 PM »
Fair and reasonable discussion- without any name calling- and honesty
Good stuff
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Re: My Fall 2018 Spring Season - Final Edition G1, G2, G3, G4, G5, G6, G7
« Reply #190 on: May 13, 2018, 09:53:50 PM »
Ok

So let the WRs run the ball or non striped linemen

Your linemen learn how to maintain their blocks longer
You dont score as quickly- which you said is the main problem with holding the other teams from scoring

Really simple to do- not score if anyone is serious about it

All of that. We've done it when it didn't conflict with another, usually long term goal. 2 games ago, one of our WRs had a 20 yard run on Beast Blast. Then another one was about to score from 50 yards out and got stripped inside the 5 for a TB. Opponent had good players, but were so badly coached and out of position that we were scoring at will.

Also, every snap a WR or lineman takes at RB is a snap taken away from a group of RBs. I'm not saying that will stop us, but is is a consideration.

Something else to think about. Our offense is WEIRD. Against a solid defense, it's not uncommon to take a few TFLs before we adjust and bust one. Against bad teams, Beast Blast will score . . . a lot. so we run our C to S to Z counter. 2 exchanges, a puller and lots going on. If we run that one and get stuffed for -4, I'm not at all surprised. If we run it and take it to the house, I'm not surprised. We throw a HB pass that is a real crap shoot for us. Someone other than our starting QB taking a toss, throwing a pass on the run with only one receiver in the pattern. All the opponent sees is that the ball is in the air, so we must be trying to run up the score. Point is, we call what we call for our own reasons. With a big lead, sometimes it's to polish a play or player that is struggling. Sometimes, we're unsure about how certain defenders will react, so we want to see it vs someone other than our own. Dozens of possible reasons, but OUR reasons. Some coaches are going to see fault in anything we do, so why bother trying to make them happy?

After one blowout this year, we were hauling all of our gear across the field to go home. Opposing coach was one of those who felt disrespected and was STILL talking to his kids, pointing to us he spoke. I remember thinking that I couldn't imagine the damage that guy is doing to his team right now. "Can't beat the opponent AND the refs", "Some teams don't have any class. They should have eased up on you." "Some coaches feel the need to live through their players". All excuses for failing at what you are trying to do. Nothing wrong with failing. Nothing at all. It's how you respond to failure that defines you. Recognize it, improve and overcome it. At no point should you tell your players that "it's okay because . . ."  Coach's speech should have been. "Proud of you guys for playing hard. Sorry I didn't prepare you well enough. Be ready to work and get better on Monday. Have a great weekend."
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Re: My Fall 2018 Spring Season - Final Edition G1, G2, G3, G4, G5, G6, G7
« Reply #191 on: May 13, 2018, 10:00:39 PM »
If your up really big and you rotate your weaker kids at the ball carrier spots- you arent going to score in 2-3 plays. You are getting 4 snaps at least and if your team is as good as you say, they should be able to get some first downs with the big aggressive line you have.

Takes most guys a LONG time to learn to run effectively in mega splits. We've seen it humble good RBs. Point is, we have redefined what we consider "good blocking" to be. Most common problem is that a back sees 10 feet of green and runs to it. Unfortunately, our lineman is taking a defender into that green, so he meets the defender with a lineman attached. Another is that we are very okay with penetration on the o-line a long as someone is stuck to him. Takes experience for a RB to recognize the opportunity when a DT is 5 yards in the backfield.  In practice, I can run it back and coach the kid up. In a game, it's "good luck, buddy".
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Re: My Fall 2018 Spring Season - Final Edition G1, G2, G3, G4, G5, G6, G7
« Reply #192 on: May 13, 2018, 10:01:59 PM »
This is what gumby said:
Our backups score at will on these teams

So Im assuming you have backup RBs according to him

If you are up really big and you have 5 kids playing 4 positions- they are getting plenty of reps
So you rotate some of the weaker DBs or WR to RB- how hard can it be to teach them 1 play? and at that point what does it matter if you dont score

If the studs need a few snaps, then let them play on special teams or a few more snaps on defense

Just put quotes around "backups". Meaning the guy who is not the starter. In fact, his name is Tristan and if he makes it to the 2nd level of the defense, you are in trouble.
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Re: My Fall 2018 Spring Season - Final Edition G1, G2, G3, G4, G5, G6, G7
« Reply #193 on: May 13, 2018, 10:05:18 PM »
True. Sometimes we do that to try and stay out of Mercy. As you know....after the second series you have a pretty good idea how things might go.

At the end of the day....its a good problem to have I suppose.

Since we're being honest, the decision to put a team quickly in the mercy to hold down points against felt shitty. Shitty, but necessary. From our roller hockey discussion, I explained how it can be used. Sucks, but my guys come first.
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Re: My Fall 2018 Spring Season - Final Edition G1, G2, G3, G4, G5, G6, G7
« Reply #194 on: May 13, 2018, 11:41:25 PM »
All great points but our Sport is dying because the kids never sign up anymore due to safety concerns....not because they got their butts whipped.

--Butt-whippings have gone on for years without any discernible changes in participation numbers.  However, the concussion-scare on the other hand...

I have been on both side of a butt whipping. My take....always play your game without disrespecting the the game. Taking excessive knees, running out of bounds to avoid a score, punting on early downs.... for me is rubbing it in.

--^ This all day.

If you are crushing me by 40....crushing me by 50 wont feel any different. I still suck either way.

--Agree.

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