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Re: My Fall 2018 Spring Season - Final Edition GM 1
« Reply #45 on: April 04, 2018, 12:54:38 PM »
turnover on downs is not a turnover?

Not officially.

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Re: My Fall 2018 Spring Season - Final Edition GM 1
« Reply #46 on: April 04, 2018, 01:12:15 PM »
Not officially.

However you classify it internally is your own business.

I stand corrected. Maybe 5 turnovers, then. I remember 3 interceptions, but maybe I'm missing one.
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Re: My Fall 2018 Spring Season - Final Edition GM 1
« Reply #47 on: April 04, 2018, 04:11:45 PM »
The logic is that exposing the incoming Freshmen to the HS playbook and terminology will give them a leg up this Fall. So in July, or whenever they start "2 a days", they won't be confused by "Brown Crash Right Z90 Buck Tango Option on First Sound" . . . or something.

The issue is that the logic is based on a lot of assumptions that tend to be wrong. This is a fairly large school (for around here) at about 1,800 students. It's pretty rare for a Freshman to play varsity football. The ones that do are the same size as the seniors. Regardless, playing in a Spring league running the Varsity playbook "by the numbers" will certainly prepare them for high school football more than not playing football at all. I would be concerned that getting shellacked by much better teams would have a detrimental effect.

I'd be interested in some HS coaches opinions on the subject, but only for my own curiosity. I would think they'd rather their stuff not be run at all over being run poorly.

We're not entirely innocent either. We installed a traditional punt this year because none of our guys have ever done that. So in that regard, we are getting them ready for "high school ball". Good idea? Bad idea? I honestly don't think it makes a darn bit of difference.

Playing spring football for a dad-run team isn't going to get these boys ready for high school ball.  I don't care if they run the HS playbook.  They would be better served spending this time in the weight room and on the track working on speed training.  Just like this year's freshman, sophomores and juniors.  That way they are better prepared for the start of the summer off-season program.  Coaches are FAR more impressed with a kid's ability to squat than they are their ability to recite a play.  That will be coach during camp and in August when practices begin EXACTLY how the high school staff wants it coached.

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Re: My Fall 2018 Spring Season - Final Edition GM 1
« Reply #48 on: April 04, 2018, 04:29:23 PM »
Playing spring football for a dad-run team isn't going to get these boys ready for high school ball. 

Based on my limited observations, I agree 100%.
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Re: My Fall 2018 Spring Season - Final Edition GM 1
« Reply #49 on: April 04, 2018, 06:14:10 PM »
turnover on downs is not a turnover?

I would say no.

one on side kick recovery, 3 picks, 1 fumble.
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Re: My Fall 2018 Spring Season - Final Edition GM 1
« Reply #50 on: April 04, 2018, 06:29:09 PM »
I'm curious, genuinely curious, how does using a spring football league help prepare 8th graders for high school football? 

I can see how in basketball and maybe a couple other sports actually playing games against older competition would help prepare you for the increase in speed and physicality, but how does playing in a football league with and against other players in your grade help prepare you for the next level? 

I'm not a big football guy, so I'm being genuine in asking this.

We got into this Spring thing on a whim about 5 years ago. A just for fun thing.

After watching the kids progress over time I would say Spring football prepares the kids that want to play HS ball....big time.

Not in the physical sense but more so mentally. The team we are coaching this Spring is loaded with football geeks not interested in other sports....therefore they are exponentially more intelligent about the game compared to those playing round ball right now because they  have doubled up their seasons every year.

The reason being you cant get better at actually playing the game of football without padding up and playing the game of football. Sure there is film study and the like but that's like saying you can build a house by reading a book. It can be done but done poorly. Baseball has their year round batting cages and basketball their year round YMCA's and its super simple to put together a pick up game of sokker down at the local Park.

But football....yah you dont see kids padding up and splattering on one another outside of their organized youth leagues. And Flag is not real football IMHO.

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Re: My Fall 2018 Spring Season - Final Edition GM 1
« Reply #51 on: April 05, 2018, 09:48:59 AM »
After watching the kids progress over time I would say Spring football prepares the kids that want to play HS ball....big time.

There's been robust discussion about the stacking of our team, etc. We've certainly done that this Spring. My version of it is that a ton of kids wanted to play for us and since we have limited spots, why not pick the best of the bunch?

It has to be said, though that we have some kids who really developed since I came on board. My first season with Mahonz, he told me that we would be forced to go 5 wide empty and try to disguise the 2 kids who could actually run a route and catch. All because we have "zero running backs". 3 Fall seasons later and now in our 3rd Spring season, the kids who play every Spring will have their HS coaches drooling.

We've run 3 (very) different defenses since I've been with this team. One of those defenses is really 3 different defenses on its own. Our offense literally changes week to week. The players adapt and understand what we're doing and why. Most importantly, IMHO, they understand how to play football. "Mean, Nasty, Fast" is our mantra and the players "get it". They see that superior effort gives them an advantage over their opponent. At the next level, it won't be so much an advantage, but they won't at a disadvantage as they figure out what it takes to play at a HS level.

Our Saturday opponent had 2 players playing "mean, nasty fast" football. All that did was to draw attention from our 32 players who were "mean, nasty, fast".

So can you use Spring football to help a group of kids prepare for High School? Absolutely, but forget about the playbooks and terminology.

Kent inspired me to have a chat with the players tonight about weight training. It's not feasible for us to lift with them or even supervise them, but we can stress the importance of off-season preparation.
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Re: My Fall 2018 Spring Season - Final Edition GM 1, GM 2
« Reply #52 on: April 07, 2018, 07:31:01 PM »
GAME TWO

Well today was much more interesting and a lot more fun.

Won 14-0. Our Defense is smokin' good. Our Offense hit a bit of a wall today....mentally.  Very disjointed.

We won the turnover battle again 6-2. Mojo Score was 0-0. Penalties went way down. VERY good crew today.

Our Defense is a total experiment. We blended Clarks base 46 but with Cover 0 creating a JACK LB'r with his Killer Bee coverage rules across the board. Today was a real test vs a worthy passing team. We f'd them up all day.

Add to that....no one can run on this D staying true to what is so great about the 46. I think we have yielded 2 first downs rushing in two games. Another two via pass and two more via penalty.

2-0  8)
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Re: My Fall 2018 Spring Season - Final Edition GM 1, GM 2
« Reply #53 on: April 07, 2018, 09:29:05 PM »
I was not very good this week, including today. Allowed my own hubris to affect the offensive preparation. Didnít adjust very well to the opponent and the OC didnít help matters. Iíve been chipping at him for a couple of weeks and that needs to stop. Mahonz and I will have a chat and Iíll take his counsel on how to move forward. Maybe I need to move to the defense. I let the boys down today.
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Re: My Fall 2018 Spring Season - Final Edition GM 1, GM 2
« Reply #54 on: April 08, 2018, 03:29:32 PM »
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Good coaches become great coaches when they can look at a win and know they did a bad job.

Learning to work within the confines of a staff is always one of the most difficult things. You have been dropping hints about the OC for a few weeks. Talking to Mahonz to get a direction should help, but you need to sit down with OC & work things out.

The hardest thing for a coach to understand is that it is never about your opponent, but about your team. In Brooklyn & in Mint Hill we often knew we should blow an opponent out. It is the fastest way to become complacent & play to their level. When I learned that it was really about us I was able to avoid that trap. It's difficult to coach the same way when you are playing against the sisters of the poor as against the NE Patriots. If you can make it about this team here and now then the way you coach becomes more consistent.

Good Luck & keep grinding.

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Re: My Fall 2018 Spring Season - Final Edition GM 1, GM 2
« Reply #55 on: April 08, 2018, 03:59:38 PM »
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Good coaches become great coaches when they can look at a win and know they did a bad job.

Learning to work within the confines of a staff is always one of the most difficult things. You have been dropping hints about the OC for a few weeks. Talking to Mahonz to get a direction should help, but you need to sit down with OC & work things out.

The hardest thing for a coach to understand is that it is never about your opponent, but about your team. In Brooklyn & in Mint Hill we often knew we should blow an opponent out. It is the fastest way to become complacent & play to their level. When I learned that it was really about us I was able to avoid that trap. It's difficult to coach the same way when you are playing against the sisters of the poor as against the NE Patriots. If you can make it about this team here and now then the way you coach becomes more consistent.

Good Luck & keep grinding.

Joe

Our OC...who is also our Spring Header is not focused this season at all. Its as frustrating as frustrating can be and came to a head yesterday. All kinds of little things we have already addressed and perfected in the past he tends to forget.

Its beginning to really piss me off. If he says "oh yah" one more time....

While Lar and I put together the roster, paid for scholarships, organized coaches meetings, put together drills and playbooks, put together a schedule, shored up a practice facility, filled in for any equipment needs, ordered and printed 80 jerseys....this guy couldnt manage to get 3 new coaches their coaches shirts on time.

Then there is all the on field stuff. He couldn't remember formations or his own Check With Me System at first... baffling his own Staff. Its just not working. Im over on the D wondering why myself. Even the talent placement is off and this team has few limits when it comes to talent.

Conversation last Tuesday before practice-

Me: Did you see Lor's blocking? Wow !

Header: No...I should probably watch some film.

This after Lar and our DC went out on their own time and scouted our next two opponents and put them on Hudl. They did the same yesterday as well. 100 bucks says come Tuesday our Header hasn't watched one clip. We are also getting weekly game film from the team we obliterated last week to help us with scouting.

Conversation yesterday late in the 4th Quarter:

Me: Wow. We really need to break down film of this game. Offense got worked.

Header: Agreed.
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Re: My Fall 2018 Spring Season - Final Edition GM 1, GM 2
« Reply #56 on: April 08, 2018, 06:28:08 PM »
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Sounds like an issue, & it isn't only with Lar. I know you aim in the Spring to develop coaches. Sometimes you find out when thrust into a position of leadership, people don't have the work ethic to lead.

Only hearing what you guys post here it is difficult to have a simple answer. That being said these issues need to be addressed. Since he's the header the easy solution maybe telling him it's too much for him to be the header & the OC. If you stroke his ego enough it can even be his idea.

When you are coaching a team that has better than average talent, it can be more stressful than a team of lesser talent. The team with more talent is truly reflective of the coaching. 3 teams where the most stressful for me, 1982,1993, & 2009. I knew in my heart they had great talent. Keeping them focused & driven was work everyday. I was lucky to also have great staff's those years.

Good Luck I am sure you will work it all out.

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Re: My Fall 2018 Spring Season - Final Edition GM 1, GM 2
« Reply #57 on: April 09, 2018, 03:11:54 AM »
When you are coaching a team that has better than average talent, it can be more stressful than a team of lesser talent. The team with more talent is truly reflective of the coaching. 3 teams where the most stressful for me, 1982,1993, & 2009. I knew in my heart they had great talent. Keeping them focused & driven was work everyday. I was lucky to also have great staff's those years.

Good Luck I am sure you will work it all out.

Joe

Having a talented team has the potential to change everything. On the one hand, I've seen the value of setting high expectations. When you shoot for the top and fall short, you're still pretty high. On the other hand, it's very easy to get away from what has made you successful. It's a gut check and a character check. On reflection, I'm really glad we got this wake up call, and by "we" I mean the staff.

All will work out. This is not a group of coaches who are okay with being "okay".
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Re: My Fall 2018 Spring Season - Final Edition GM 1, GM 2
« Reply #58 on: April 10, 2018, 09:25:52 AM »
Our OC...who is also our Spring Header

While Lar and I put together the roster, paid for scholarships, organized coaches meetings, put together drills and playbooks, put together a schedule, shored up a practice facility, filled in for any equipment needs, ordered and printed 80 jerseys....this guy couldnt manage to get 3 new coaches their coaches shirts on time.

You put together the roster, paid for schollys, set up meetings, got the drills and playbooks together, built a schedule, improved the practice facility, gathered gear, ordered jerseys.....and he's the head coach?  Hmmm...

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Re: My Fall 2018 Spring Season - Final Edition GM 1, GM 2
« Reply #59 on: April 10, 2018, 09:32:39 AM »
Good Luck I am sure you will work it all out.

Joe is less of a skeptic than I am.  (Successful) coaching is mostly about "want to."  I've seen countless coaches say that they "wanted" to coach.  And when given the opportunity, don't know how to put one foot in front of the other.  Some talk about how seriously they take teaching and once they have a team, can't teach or aren't driven to teach, but only play the fool.  Others talk about how much they "love" the sport, but they only love it from a fan's perspective, not a coach's.  If I'm hearing someone on my staff say "oh yeah" more than once, I know he's not the guy for me.

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