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Rant
« on: September 17, 2018, 01:06:56 PM »
Not posting every week this year bc I have an 11 week old and just too much going on. However, yesterday we played a team whose coaches decided to forfeit after we scored our 4th TD (making it 26-0 - they quit before the 2 pointer) with 8 mins left in the 2nd Quarter.

There were no complaints from their end about us (being dirty, trying to run up score, etc.) bc we weren't. We played a clean game and our big TB only carried the ball once. Hell we only ran 6 offensive plays and were already emptying it out.

They just told the refs "our kids don't want to play today" and lined up on the 50. Never seen it before - hope to never see it again. Awful lesson for the kids likely driven by the coaches' egos (ie in their mind 26-0 with 8 left in 2nd Q somehow better than ending 50-0  ::)). Funny part is we were about to TOTALLY empty it out so I would have been shocked if we scored more than 40.

This is the kind of stuff that's really getting to me re youth football. Our Kickoff Classic opponent didn't even show up a few weeks ago after confirming that morning. The team we play next week forfeited to us last year (at least before the game w notice but still).

We have one opponent who is always talented, well-coached and part of a quality program that does well in all ages. They always give us a good game. Aside from them, we haven't had a challenge in years (nor have they aside from us).

Adding to my frustration, our 12U actually has 24 kids this year and some nice athletes. Hoped that for once they'd do decent (0-24 in 2015, 2016 & 2017) and we'd have a solid base moving up for next year. Every year we've had 60%+ new players on our 14U bc the guys below us are so awful.

But even adequate number and good athletes can't fix horrific coaching so they're 0-2 losing 38-0 and 28-0 the first two weeks. They can't even snap the ball and are looking at another 0-8 season which means kids quitting or not returning so as has been the case for years, I'll be pulling 2/3 of my team off the street again next year if I'm back. Very time consuming process here esp with the level of "help" I get on recruiting.

Anyhow we're 2-0 in league play and have another cupcake on the clock this week. Just trying to stay in the moment, enjoy the process and keep our guys focused on improving each week so we play our best ball in November.

In December I will have to do some real soul searching and figure out what is next. I know HS Ball isn't perfect but def feeling the itch. However I have a lot of family and career considerations that impact that decision - otherwise I'd already be coaching HS.

Don't get me wrong, still enjoy coaching the youth game and our rivals present a very formidable challenge (albeit only twice a year - A LOT of time put in for two real games). However I have a very hard time just accepting that in our program, whichever team I coach will compete for a Championship and whichever team(s) I do not coach will not win a game. I've dragged these guys to clinics, told them what they need to fix but realized they just don't care. They're fine w going 0-8.

I've been with this program my whole coaching career. For the most part, I have accepted it as a challenge to overcome. However I've gotten to a point where I really believe for me to keep growing as a coach, I need to be surrounded by others with similar goals & mentality.

There is literally not one coach in our program who I learn anything from aside from what not to do which at this point I have seen plenty of. In our area, the only other youth program whose coaches can coach are our rivals and I'd never go there so the move will be to HS it's a matter of when. Original timeline was a couple years from now but I'm starting to think about how I can speed that up significantly.
« Last Edit: September 17, 2018, 01:09:38 PM by GP »
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Re: Rant
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2018, 01:56:49 PM »
Do you guys have nationals or an end of year tournament? What do you do different when you play the crappy teams?

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Re: Rant
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2018, 08:09:39 AM »
Chris - We don't feed into a National org. There are no end of season tournies in our area and most of our players are from low-income families so I would have to pick up most of the tab for any travel after already spending a ton each season for things our program can't cover (already over a G this season and it's been a light year on that front).

Not sure what you mean by what we do differently against crappy teams. The tendency for players of course is to play down to the competition so that's a battle we fight most every week - trying to refocus them on our standard of play. Obviously we sub heavily when we're up big.
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Re: Rant
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2018, 08:26:41 AM »
You ever started the game with your back ups when you knew you were going to win big?

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Re: Rant
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2018, 08:47:51 AM »
You ever started the game with your back ups when you knew you were going to win big?

Every week in practice is a competition for starting spots. If our 1 is our best competitor, I believe he deserves to start regardless of the opponent. If the backup is giving us a better effort in practice, we'll start him regardless of the opponent.

We also have an attendance policy we strictly enforce. Two practices a week in season - miss one = sit half, miss two = don't play. Tardiness treated similarly.

So between those policies, we're often starting a handful of backups anyhow or have regular changes in our starting lineup. We don't want anyone comfortable except the QB.
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Re: Rant
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2018, 09:25:04 AM »
G

I have watched the state of football in NYC deteriate over the years, often through your eyes. When Nick Mitsakis, ran the league it was thriving with many more teams & divisions. That type of nonsense really didn't occur.

I understand your frustration, & in a certain way I agree it's time for you to take the next step. My only caution is don't expect there to be a huge jump in sophistication at the next level.

Joe
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Re: Rant
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2018, 09:55:41 AM »
Awful lesson for the kids likely driven by the coaches' egos (ie in their mind 26-0 with 8 left in 2nd Q somehow better than ending 50-0

—It’s totally amazing to me the number of “men” who think they are fit and suitable to coach kids.  They quit when they’re behind, post questionable content on their social media accounts for their players to see, use inappropriate language, etc., yet act as if there is nothing wrong in how they model behavior for teens and younger children.

This is the kind of stuff that's really getting to me re youth football. Our Kickoff Classic opponent didn't even show up a few weeks ago after confirming that morning. The team we play next week forfeited to us last year (at least before the game w notice but still).

—I’ve experienced some of that this year and it sours me on the youth game.  The lack of professionalism and common courtesy is prevalent here; much more so than at the high school level, in my experience.

I know HS Ball isn't perfect but def feeling the itch. However I have a lot of family and career considerations that impact that decision - otherwise I'd already be coaching HS.

—Greg, I never had the desire to coach high school football until I got an offer I couldn’t turn down.  It took me a few years of adjusting to it, but there is no comparison between the two.  I’ve enjoyed high school much more.  And there is far less complaining about butt-kicking at the high school level.

Don't get me wrong, still enjoy coaching the youth game and our rivals present a very formidable challenge (albeit only twice a year - A LOT of time put in for two real games).

—Exactly.  When I first started coaching youth ball, I scouted everyone but learned that most of it was a waste of time, as our opponents rarely had decent coaching.  As you said, preparing for only a couple games a year is lacking when you consider the overall time investment.

I've dragged these guys to clinics, told them what they need to fix but realized they just don't care. They're fine w going 0-8.

—Yes, they are.

I've been with this program my whole coaching career. For the most part, I have accepted it as a challenge to overcome. However I've gotten to a point where I really believe for me to keep growing as a coach, I need to be surrounded by others with similar goals & mentality.

—Agree.  It took me a while to get comfortable with the high school game, but unlike youth (where the outcome is usually decided within the first 4 minutes), in high school I’ve got to keep my foot on the gas for the duration.

There is literally not one coach in our program who I learn anything from aside from what not to do which at this point I have seen plenty of.

—In the beginning of my coaching career, that was valuable to me.  But as I gained more experience, there was no one in our org I could learn from.

Original timeline was a couple years from now but I'm starting to think about how I can speed that up significantly.

—Well good luck with it.  You’re more than capable to be very successful at the HS level and it will give you a more competitive option.

—Dave
« Last Edit: September 18, 2018, 01:25:26 PM by CoachDP »
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Re: Rant
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2018, 11:32:23 AM »
My only caution is don't expect there to be a huge jump in sophistication at the next level.


So you're saying I have a chance to be successful  ;D
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Re: Rant
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2018, 12:07:11 PM »
BTW DP - I hope you guys made out okay with Florence!
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Re: Rant
« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2018, 01:06:49 PM »
GP- we had the same thing happen to us last year in our opener....midway through the 2nd quarter the officials came over to inform me that the other team decide not to play anymore. I was baffled.

It felt like going to work for a month and getting a weeks worth of pay.

I am only 3 games into my first year of coaching HS football...so take this with a grain of salt. Our first 3 opponents have been as bad or worse than any youth team I ever coached against. They are just bigger and have more players.

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Re: Rant
« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2018, 01:29:51 PM »
We had the same thing happen to us last year in our opener....midway through the 2nd quarter the officials came over to inform me that the other team decide not to play anymore. I was baffled.

Josh, your high school opponent quit?  lol. Dang, I must be doing (several) things wrong.  My games are (for the most part) too close.  Keep doing what you’re doing.  At least you’re exposing the frauds and that’s a community service in my book.

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« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2018, 01:31:42 PM »
BTW DP - I hope you guys made out okay with Florence!

The house will have to be rebuilt.  On the other hand, we’re still alive.

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Re: Rant
« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2018, 01:33:56 PM »
The house will have to be rebuilt.  On the other hand, we’re still alive.

—Dave
How bad is it? I have some buddies over there and they haven't had home rebuilding damage as of yet.

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Re: Rant
« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2018, 01:45:58 PM »
Josh, your high school opponent quit?  lol. Dang, I must be doing (several) things wrong.  My games are (for the most part) too close.  Keep doing what you’re doing.  At least you’re exposing the frauds and that’s a community service in my book.

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No...this was last year and it was 8th grade. Although...we play most of those kids next week so who knows :-X

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Re: Rant
« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2018, 02:09:05 PM »
The house will have to be rebuilt.  On the other hand, we’re still alive.

—Dave

Damn. Sorry to hear about the house, DP. Here I am complaining about youth football "problems"  ::)

Glad everyone is okay though.
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