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Inside/Outside Zone Blocking rules
« on: February 07, 2018, 02:03:41 PM »
Hey guys, I know there are multiple different ways to install zone blocking schemes. Covered/Uncovered, count etc. I just wanted to start a discussion on the way we plan to do install it this year and see if there are any tweaks that might be suggested....


First, we will install a simple count system.

CENTER- Identify the "ACE" defender first defender head up (Nose or 00 tech LB), if no player in front of you (ie a 4-4 or 4-2 stack) then the ACE is the first defender to the playside ALWAYS count DL before a Stacked Backer.

GUARDS- Count the next defender, in your direction, and label him BANDIT....(there will be a bandit on either side of the ACE and a 00 tech LB is always backside)

TACKLES- Count next defender, in your direction, label him CHARLIE.

TEs - Count next defender, in your direction, label him DRAGON.

We have counted this way for years, simple install.


Now for the "rules" (leaving technique out of it)

Inside Zone.

Is your counted defender ON the LOS? Block his NEAR jersey Number.

Is your counted defender OFF the LOS? Find the nearest (jersey) number on the LOS and block that.  INFORM the teammate who counted him "US to #52, US to #52" (this teammate repeats that back to you for confirmation) 

                       NOTE: if you have two defenders equally spaced from you, choose the playside defender as your NEAR NUMBER and call "US to ___"

The goal is for both players to double this defender with the intent of delivering him into the lap of the ID'd LB. (US to 52 means we are gonna team up and knock this guy back to the LB)

If NOBODY gives you an "US" call, you will be locked on your counted defender 1 on 1 man block.

OUTSIDE ZONE  (Mostly Jet sweep and Fast screens)

Same count.

Same rules, BUT, "US to 52" means---we both have to RIP through the playside armpit of the ID'd DL and RUN to the ID'd LB (#52) and double him.

Mantra is that we double DL on IZ and double LBs on OZ.  If you are the Playside Most teammate of the 'combo" you must punch (club) the playside number long enough for your backside "US" teammate to be able to RIP through the playside armpit. Obviosly this is where we would spend most of our time on outside run.

For Outside Zone, the RB read is the helmet of the EMLOS... if his helmet is outside of our blockers helmet we cut UP inside our blocker

Looking forward to some feedback on this. 
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Re: Inside/Outside Zone Blocking rules
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2018, 02:44:17 PM »
We count and work "solo" blocking for both...but we only use that base scheme

The rbs actually run true tight and wide zone before the line does.

When we can block 1v1 then we will progress into wide zone blocking tech...things like the "club" will be introed and used. Terms like "run and climb" get used.

We dont run true tight zone any more... we did make a call that center and gaurds could combo.

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Re: Inside/Outside Zone Blocking rules
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2018, 03:08:46 PM »
Hey guys, I know there are multiple different ways to install zone blocking schemes. Covered/Uncovered, count etc. I just wanted to start a discussion on the way we plan to do install it this year and see if there are any tweaks that might be suggested....


First, we will install a simple count system.

CENTER- Identify the "ACE" defender first defender head up (Nose or 00 tech LB), if no player in front of you (ie a 4-4 or 4-2 stack) then the ACE is the first defender to the playside ALWAYS count DL before a Stacked Backer.

GUARDS- Count the next defender, in your direction, and label him BANDIT....(there will be a bandit on either side of the ACE and a 00 tech LB is always backside)

TACKLES- Count next defender, in your direction, label him CHARLIE.

TEs - Count next defender, in your direction, label him DRAGON.

We have counted this way for years, simple install.


Now for the "rules" (leaving technique out of it)

Inside Zone.

Is your counted defender ON the LOS? Block his NEAR jersey Number.

Is your counted defender OFF the LOS? Find the nearest (jersey) number on the LOS and block that.  INFORM the teammate who counted him "US to #52, US to #52" (this teammate repeats that back to you for confirmation) 

                       NOTE: if you have two defenders equally spaced from you, choose the playside defender as your NEAR NUMBER and call "US to ___"

The goal is for both players to double this defender with the intent of delivering him into the lap of the ID'd LB. (US to 52 means we are gonna team up and knock this guy back to the LB)

If NOBODY gives you an "US" call, you will be locked on your counted defender 1 on 1 man block.

OUTSIDE ZONE  (Mostly Jet sweep and Fast screens)

Same count.

Same rules, BUT, "US to 52" means---we both have to RIP through the playside armpit of the ID'd DL and RUN to the ID'd LB (#52) and double him.

Mantra is that we double DL on IZ and double LBs on OZ.  If you are the Playside Most teammate of the 'combo" you must punch (club) the playside number long enough for your backside "US" teammate to be able to RIP through the playside armpit. Obviosly this is where we would spend most of our time on outside run.

For Outside Zone, the RB read is the helmet of the EMLOS... if his helmet is outside of our blockers helmet we cut UP inside our blocker

Looking forward to some feedback on this.
we tried something like two years ago, and we had numerous problems. It became an off tackle play  with no room to run
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Re: Inside/Outside Zone Blocking rules
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2018, 03:56:59 PM »
we tried something like two years ago, and we had numerous problems. It became an off tackle play  with no room to run

Elaborate?
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Re: Inside/Outside Zone Blocking rules
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2018, 05:16:37 AM »
Elaborate?
we get got no horizontal movement an movement. We tried to assign linebackers and we either chased him or we let run through s  happen. Then we had all sorts of confusion on who is covered and uncovered. Really lots of confusion and coches including myself who didn't know at the time.
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Re: Inside/Outside Zone Blocking rules
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2018, 08:16:53 AM »
Simplify Covered.  Covered = a Defender anywhere within the frame of your body (shoulder to shoulder).  Play direction determines how to block same.

Assume Big on Big for all (Teach all to play BOB) assume no help.   Why?  Then each position is only responsible for his block.  When a player comes to the line all they care about is the DL alignment.  Think inside shoulder to outside shoulder.

Basic Zone Scheme

PLAY DIRECTION RIGHT:

Left shoulder 10% chance he is mine.  Chip and GO.  Head Up, 50% chance he is mine engage and release if he goes inside.  Right shoulder, 90% chance he is mine.  Engage, resist cross face move, take them outside/up field.  Remember above assume BOB.  Zone is all about using the flow of the defense against them.  The KEY is the RB being able to use his landmarks and read his key (backer).  Why is that so important?  Because you cant block 3 with 2.  If an additional defender comes up on the LOS, the RB has to realize same and be ready to adjust his path. 

Far more to teach but you have to start somewhere. There is a reason many simply teach inside or outside Zone at our level

 
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Re: Inside/Outside Zone Blocking rules
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2018, 09:21:10 AM »
Agree with Dusty. Simplify "covered". 

We don't block true IZ/OZ due to our extreme splits, but the rules are similar. Double teams are bad with giant splits.

When we run the ball, the rule is "Covered, then climb". This means to block the man covering you and climb if you're uncovered. The only difference is that your definition of "covered" is different on outside runs.

Inside: Covered means the DL's nose is anywhere from your outside shoulder to your inside buddy's shoulder. If he is off by one inch, he is no longer covering you.

Outside: Covered means his nose is anywhere from your inside shoulder to your play side buddy's shoulder. If he is off by one inch, he is no longer covering you.

We don't do double teams unless a kid is absolutely kicking our ass, then we give just enough help to keep him under control. Any lineman can call for help by pointing to his guy and calling "Ogre" to the nearest buddy. If the buddy can help, he'll let you know. In a traditional zone scheme, you can go ahead and double him. However, instead of putting the DL in the LBs lap, I've always gone with pushing your buddy off his block so he can climb to the LB. Whatever works for you, though.
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Re: Inside/Outside Zone Blocking rules
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2018, 09:48:43 AM »
Rich kelly shared a covered/un covered system. Covered gets trucky so 1st rule is "you are always right"  meaning if you call covered as a player you are covered.

If you are covered
-man shaded playside shoulder - "me" call or solo
-man head up - "us" call for double with backside partner
- man shaded inside - "you" tells backside hes solo...perform slip block with backside partner

If uncovered
- "check" attack playside 1st level player then climb to second level of 3rd step.

Before we counted we did this... hope it helps
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Re: Inside/Outside Zone Blocking rules
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2018, 10:14:15 AM »
Easier way to do it is two parts. 1. Five families of defense. Odd even over under and bear. You know who is covered of guards and center. 2nd part is # adjustments.  This deals  w/ tack and the and who is covered. This may affect guard certain family members. This, if one takes the time, also take care of the ct. System.
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Re: Inside/Outside Zone Blocking rules
« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2018, 09:55:46 AM »
We don't worry about covered/uncovered. Just count. Your guy is on (or near the LOS) block him, if he is off (LB level) double the nearest DL - Make the combo call "Us to LB" with the person you are doubling with. We want to be nasty and aggressive with double teams, we wont even talk about "coming off" of the double (at least not until we are getting very good at the vertical push double) We can use an insert back or other ways to deal with backers (formations, motions) and we also run Power with IZ opposite rules and pull backside guard up to PS LB.
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Re: Inside/Outside Zone Blocking rules
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2018, 07:29:13 PM »
This looks ok.

My thoughts are that you're really teaching 2 sets of rules for one play: count system and then covered/uncovered.  It can be a bit more complicated than you might think, especially to young kids.  The kids have to identify who their man is in the count... then forget about their man in the count so they can block the near jersey number or block the closest jersey number of something not in their gap.

Count systems, IMO, tend to lead to kids chasing LBs or turning their heads away from their gaps, allowing stunts and run throughs to screw things up badly.  They work ok, but I'm not a fan of them for zone.

Personally, I'd just simplify it to track blocking, which is what zone really turns into.  I've got another post on the board explaining how I teach that.  IMO, it's just simpler for kids to pick up on and go.

One very important coaching point: focus on "eye discipline."  The OL need to always keep eyes in their play side gap on zone to pick up stunts.  That and the gap discipline and tracks of zone are where the "area" concept really shines through nd becomes sound.  When you let the kids turn their heads to "block the nearest number," your zone ceases to be gap sound because LBs will just run off their hip like a cutter to the basket in basketball.

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Re: Inside/Outside Zone Blocking rules
« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2018, 07:31:53 PM »
We don't worry about covered/uncovered. Just count. Your guy is on (or near the LOS) block him, if he is off (LB level) double the nearest DL - Make the combo call "Us to LB" with the person you are doubling with. We want to be nasty and aggressive with double teams, we wont even talk about "coming off" of the double (at least not until we are getting very good at the vertical push double) We can use an insert back or other ways to deal with backers (formations, motions) and we also run Power with IZ opposite rules and pull backside guard up to PS LB.
Good stuff that's the old Joe Bugel Redskins way of thinking when it comes to zone i like it.
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Re: Inside/Outside Zone Blocking rules
« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2018, 10:07:04 AM »
Through BMJ, and michaels posts, Pendrys method is where we landed for our "zone" runs.

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Re: Inside/Outside Zone Blocking rules
« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2018, 10:09:06 PM »
Per 3 3 hour discussions with BMJ and daily conversation s with Joe I'm officially on the fence with the One Back Pro offense Joe Gibbs style . I have a huge gap scheme backround but something about zone is telling me something !!!
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Re: Inside/Outside Zone Blocking rules
« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2018, 10:38:46 PM »
The one thing I find that many folks have a problem with when it comes to Zone Blocking Concepts is the demand that the Back Hits the Hole.  The play has to go HERE.  Some folks have a real hard time eliminating "The Hole" and replacing it with "The Flow".  You will have a hell of time being successful with Zone if your backs are not involved in working with the O-Line.   
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