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Re: Inside/Outside Zone Blocking rules
« Reply #60 on: March 07, 2018, 05:03:52 PM »
No matter what "kind of" zone you run or how your combos or doubles are formed...when the rb hits the los every olineman should be on 1 person. Least thats the consensus to succesful zone schemes. You can watch almost any pro team or even college and see this. So take it for what its worth, your poor blocking guard will need to be able to take someone on, 1v1 prepare him for this.

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Re: Inside/Outside Zone Blocking rules
« Reply #61 on: March 08, 2018, 10:28:39 AM »
For the style of zone I teach, it comes back to the idea that if someone's going to make the tackle, he has to be in that area where the runner is going.  IME it's just much easier to block the man that shows in that area, rather than trying to pick a man before the snap and keep him from getting to an area.

While I love the flexibility of zone and like the style I know, it isn't absolutely necessary that you run it, which is something I think a lot of coaches would do well to remember.  You can get a very solid offense from all gap stuff: power, counter, buck sweep, base, and trap schemes have a lot of carry over and are often simpler for coaches and kids to wrap their minds around once you realize the basic concept: block down, somebody's going to kick out, somebody's going to lead through the hole.

And guess what... in a downblocking gap scheme, you're not blocking a specific "man," but you're also blocking an "area" too.  That was a big part of why we switched to the "track zone" stuff years ago--we were a big gap scheme team and it just made sense to teach zone as more of a "gap" type of play to get more carry over and streamline things for the kids when we just wanted to run right at a defense and not worry about pullers.
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Re: Inside/Outside Zone Blocking rules
« Reply #62 on: March 08, 2018, 12:18:42 PM »
apparently "areas" don't make many tackles, but "men" do.

For the style of zone I teach, it comes back to the idea that if someone's going to make the tackle, he has to be in that area where the runner is going.  IME it's just much easier to block the man that shows in that area, rather than trying to pick a man before the snap and keep him from getting to an area.

While I love the flexibility of zone and like the style I know, it isn't absolutely necessary that you run it, which is something I think a lot of coaches would do well to remember.  You can get a very solid offense from all gap stuff: power, counter, buck sweep, base, and trap schemes have a lot of carry over and are often simpler for coaches and kids to wrap their minds around once you realize the basic concept: block down, somebody's going to kick out, somebody's going to lead through the hole.

And guess what... in a downblocking gap scheme, you're not blocking a specific "man," but you're also blocking an "area" too.  That was a big part of why we switched to the "track zone" stuff years ago--we were a big gap scheme team and it just made sense to teach zone as more of a "gap" type of play to get more carry over and streamline things for the kids when we just wanted to run right at a defense and not worry about pullers.

That make sense. It's similar to our countermeasure for long stick stunts. I just tell them to slow play it because someone might eventually show up in your "area" and if they don't, then the back should probably be running there.
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Re: Inside/Outside Zone Blocking rules
« Reply #63 on: March 15, 2018, 12:47:02 PM »
No matter what "kind of" zone you run or how your combos or doubles are formed...when the rb hits the los every olineman should be on 1 person. .

Interesting.  And that is what we hope to evolve to through the season...we teach the kids after we get extremely disciplined at the double team and creating vertical push on IZ, then and only then will we work on "coming off" the double.  With limited practice time, we feel that its moreimportant we established nasty, aggressive lineman who look forward to moving someone on a double team, rather than playing tentative and tying to figure out who comes off the double at first.
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Re: Inside/Outside Zone Blocking rules
« Reply #64 on: March 15, 2018, 01:07:18 PM »
The attachment with one slide is a picture and quote from a story by Andy Staples.

The attachment with multiple slides is just a way I like to show the play.

The play starts at 0:52 on here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSranCawC_A
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Re: Inside/Outside Zone Blocking rules
« Reply #65 on: March 15, 2018, 01:54:10 PM »
Interesting.  And that is what we hope to evolve to through the season...we teach the kids after we get extremely disciplined at the double team and creating vertical push on IZ, then and only then will we work on "coming off" the double.  With limited practice time, we feel that its moreimportant we established nasty, aggressive lineman who look forward to moving someone on a double team, rather than playing tentative and tying to figure out who comes off the double at first.

Ask michael why refs dont call holding penalties on double teams... youll get a kick out that answer
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Re: Inside/Outside Zone Blocking rules
« Reply #66 on: March 21, 2018, 12:34:55 PM »
Ask michael why refs dont call holding penalties on double teams... youll get a kick out that answer

ok, I'll bite....Michael, why don't refs call holding penalties on double teams?
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Re: Inside/Outside Zone Blocking rules
« Reply #67 on: March 21, 2018, 02:49:02 PM »
ok, I'll bite....Michael, why don't refs call holding penalties on double teams?

According to an officials' handbook I have, the offense is already essentially penalizing itself by using two to block one.
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